Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church Fathers and abortion


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  19:27, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Church Fathers and abortion

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This article, created on 24 February 2020 by User:Oct13, is a POVFORK of the article Catholic Church and abortion. On 23 February I reverted a section titled "Church Fathers on abortion" that Oct13 had added to Catholic Church and abortion. I explained my reasons on the article's talk page: The main source (StayCatholic.com) for the added section "Church Fathers on abortion" is an advocacy and not a scholarly source. The sequence of cherry-picked quotations are taken out of context. For example, several historians have written that the use of the term abortion in earlier times was different from current use, and corresponds to what we would call a late (or 2nd/3rd-trimester) abortion. That is, before the 19th century most Catholic authors did not regard termination of pregnancy before "quickening" or "ensoulment" as an abortion. Oct13 did not respond to my reasons for reverting, but rather created a new article, expanding the problematic content.

Twice before in recent weeks -- on 17 January and on 12 February  -- I had reverted edits by Oct13 because they presented Church views in wikivoice (e.g. infallibility of the Pope) and/or inaccurately represented the sources. NightHeron (talk) 02:03, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 03:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. — Paleo  Neonate  – 07:43, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. This whole page is a great big ball of WP:POV — it’s a essay that on its face seems designed to advocate a position about abortion. It might be interesting to some if put on a blog; it doesn’t make sense in an encyclopedia.TheOtherBob 03:42, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator and TheOtherBob. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 07:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete While I think the topic could be developed into a decent article, the current page relies on primary sources and lacks notability. Dimadick (talk) 08:58, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not neutral POV, fork of main article. Wikisaurus (talk) 10:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Very clearly a POVFORK. — Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per A10 (as duplicate of existing mainspace article) and obvious POVFORK. buidhe 16:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This isn't a proper article at all, just a collection of anti-abortion quotes from the first to third centuries. An acceptable article possibly could be written on the topic, but this isn't it and never will be. Neiltonks (talk) 16:52, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:POVFORK, as above. Crossroads -talk- 17:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge into History of Christian thought on abortion; although obviously not all of the content is suitable for merging, some of it seemed to fit okay during my recent attempt.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 02:10, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, clearly POVFORK. --- Avatar317 (talk) 02:14, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 'Keep but Rename to Views of Early Church Fathers on abortion and make this a main article to History of Christian thought on abortion. The study of the views of the Early Church Fathers is a significant source for Catholic and Orthodox theology.  It also falls within the scope of Protestant theology.  The present article is far from ideal, but that is a matter of editing it to remove some waffle in the lead section.  Inevitably theological views in all of the churches have moved on, but the views of the Early Fathers remain a legitimate area of study.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:47, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORK; it is a well-meaning essay, but still, we are not a soapbox. Bearian (talk) 19:47, 2 March 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.