Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Churches of Jesus Christ International


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 12:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Churches of Jesus Christ International

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No secondary sources mentioning the organization can be found. Article cites no sources and does not appear to be notable. Chumash11 (talk) 19:53, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. GameInfirmary Talk 20:00, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. GameInfirmary Talk 20:00, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Splinter group of a splinter group. Search shows no significant coverage in multiple, reliable, independent soures, fails WP:GNG. A redirect to Oneness Pentecostalism would be a generous alternative, if only to help disentangle the many similar-sounding denominations on Wikipedia. Bakazaka (talk) 20:16, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment This article used to have references. Those references were removed in a series of three edits in January 2013, here. Sources don't have to be visible on the Internet. I think the sources that used to be in the article need to checked out before any decision is made on removing this article. - Donald Albury 23:21, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Two of those references are explanatory footnotes, not sources. Another is a reference to a source written by a pastor in the denomination, who also apparently contributed to the article's talk page. That cannot be used to establish notability. What's left is a blurb in a handbook/list of all Christian denominations in the USA, dated 1995. Note that 1995 is prior to the "revival" leading to the establishment of the specific organization discussed in the article. Internet or not, this does not add up to significant coverage of this article's subject in multiple, independent, reliable sources. Bakazaka (talk) 03:39, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete I was not arguing to keep this article. I'm dismayed that all the citations were removed without an explanation, and with no objections, and than sat for 5 1/2 years after all citations were removed. After looking around, I don't see anything that would meet our sourcing policies. The churches (they appear to have splintered, again) seem to have fallen into hard times, and become even less likely to show up in reliable sources. - Donald Albury 16:46, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Keep -- This is a denomination. If it did have 100,000 adherents and 25 churches, that ought to be enough to keep.  It looks like a splinter, not a splinter of a splinter.  I have restored two of the references removed in 2013.  Other references were notes doubting the statistics, which were presumably all from Mead, in particular questioning the credibility of the size of the mother church.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:55, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The reference information in the "Handbook of Denominations in the United States" is self-reported by religious groups, as the book's publisher clearly points out: "The information for each denomination has been provided by the religious organizations themselves and focuses on the denominations' doctrines, statistics, and histories." That makes it a primary source, and unusable for establishing notability under WP:GNG. Bakazaka (talk) 20:12, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment when the article says there are more than 25 churches involved in the organization ... The largest of the churches is the original church in Cleveland, Tennessee, which had a membership of approximately 37,500 in 1990., I assume it means "churches" to mean separate sub-denominations. Due to the many churches headquartered in Cleveland, Tennessee (including the Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee)) and that town having a population of 41,285, it can't possibly refer to the number of local members.  The best redirect target I can find is List of Christian denominations, which isn't ideal for a group of this size (even an umbrella group). power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 00:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


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