Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Churchill, Renville County, Minnesota


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. A WP:HEY keep thanks to Firsfron. (non-admin closure) asilvering (talk) 04:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Churchill, Renville County, Minnesota

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This article does not meet WP:GEOLAND or WP:GNG. बिनोद थारू (talk) 17:23, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Minnesota. बिनोद थारू (talk) 17:23, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment - the 1967 USGS topo map shows just a handful of buildings but there is a notation "town hall". -- A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  00:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per James.folsom. This makes sense -- looking at many old maps, it looked like there was never a community there so this explains the town hall. Thanks for the information. -- A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  02:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete The townhall you see there is for the township and has nothing to to to with Churchill. The last standing structure from the town was a church that was razed 2008. It had been built in a small settlement called Churchill in 1890. Even knowing this information doesn't allow for the discovery of anything notable about the place. It's might as well be an archeological site now.James.folsom (talk) 00:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The 1920 Polk's says "CHURCHILL, Renville county. A settlement n. w. of Hector on the C M &amp; St P Ry the banking and shipping point and po which see for names" That's all that I have.  I cannot find anything joining the dots from the 1920s "settlement" to the 1995 co-op pig farm, or to Joseph Churchill from 1857, or to the 1916 Churchill Creamery, Hector that gets a passing namecheck in the History of Renville County.  These are so far apart in history that they could conceivably be coincidental, and not even in the same place in the county.  Uncle G (talk) 16:01, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * two links that might help. https://www.thehistoryhandbook.com/2021/churchill-methodist-church-near-brookfield/ and https://www.wctrib.com/news/renville-county-to-raze-churchill-church-building-has-fallen-into-disrepair-over-years There is a decent chance that creamery from 1916 is the same as the one mentioned in the first link.I recollect a news article saying Churchill faded out in the 1900s, so by 1916 the creamery would be associated with somewhere else. Note the cemetery is reportedly in Hector as well. *:James.folsom (talk) 21:02, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. Churchill is listed as a settlement, village, or community in multiple sources, including several early 20th century history books. The name appears as both Churchill and as Church Hill, which is why some editors may have missed discussion of the settlement in two 1916 history books. I have expanded the article. More work will follow. Several of these sources include significant coverage of the community, including discussion of the church, creamery, rail site, school, and a major 1904 storm which damaged many buildings. Additionally, the Minnesota Department of Transportation estimates Churchill still has a population of 20. There is much history here between the late 1800s and 2008, when the Renville County Historical Society decided to end their stewardship of one of the last original buildings in Churchill. Firsfron of Ronchester  09:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment It is not notable because it exists see WP:GEOland"A feature cannot be notable, under either WP:GNG or any SNG, if the only significant coverage of the feature is in maps," and "Even the smallest geographical features usually may be found in numerous reliable sources: you can easily see creeks in maps, sand banks in navigation guides, hamlets in census tables, etc. There may be hundreds of them. They do provide reliable information about the subject. However this guideline specifically excludes them from consideration when establishing notability, because these aggregate sources tell us nothing about why a particular object is distinguished. Still, they do contribute to the satisfaction of the requirement of verifiability." Additionally, All of the references in that article that are not maps or gazetteers are also not applicable because they only mention Churchill in biographies, news articles and websites. If you read these sources you will notice the subjects in all of them are people, churches, creameries or storms. None of those sources have Churchill as the subject and this is inherently required for a source about Churchill to be significant. See WP:GNG "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention," and WP:SIGNIF. The notable subjects occurring in relation to Churchill, also do not make it notable. See: WP:GEOLAND "Geographical features must be notable on their own merits. They cannot inherit the notability of organizations, people, or events." The best thing to do would be to move this to an article about the church.James.folsom (talk) 21:00, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - Improvements make it clear this is was an actually existing populated community. Carrite (talk) 23:13, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep - There has been an incredible update and sourcing just this month. It went from a one-sentence blip, to full-page history content that goes back to 1876, complete with 3782 characters (603 words) from 15 sources, and a file map image of Churchill. Looks really good. — Maile (talk) 01:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Maile. The sourcing will continue. The Renville County Historical Society met for years in Churchill, and they have access to a ton of offline sources, which they are now sharing with me. I'm supposed to be receiving a package this week. Firsfron of Ronchester  02:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep former village Lightburst (talk) 17:53, 13 January 2024 (UTC)


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