Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chyren selin


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The result was   Delete. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 15:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Chyren selin

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Previously a Prod with rationale "Unreferenced original research essay of no notability." The Prod was removed by the article creator without comment, though in fairness with the addition of several references. However these are broad references to matters mentioned in the article (Nostradamus, Indian census, etc.) rather than pertaining to the synthesis here. So I am bringing this to AfD on the grounds that the article continues to be an original research essay with no demonstrated notability. AllyD (talk) 08:40, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

The whole work or the knowledge about the future is done by nostradamus the orginal source of the artical.The reffrence given simplfy his work do not change his words.you are not clear what theory you talking about.Comparing chyren selin with chicken and cartoon etc u making fun of the concept without studing the references and without study of concept.allyD proposed deletion at 8:40 20 may 2012. you proposed speedy deletion at 11:27 20 may 2012 In 2:47 hrs you have studied whole concept and references???. I have not said if i am new user allow me to publish anything xyz.i always shown comitment to wikipedia terms of use.that meant about presentation if it appear like essay then it can be modified but this modification can be done when adviced not only with threat of deletion. You alleged me with violation of WP:OR while i think it is original research of nostradamus i have just given references in support of his words. I could not found word unencyclopediac in oxford dictionary. I am sincere about what i say if it appear wrong to me not upto the wikipedia standards i myself will delete this article. --Anilkalsi78 (talk) 17:15, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not "unrefernced original research" readers may read the references and go to the other concerned articles that already exsist on wikipedia that support the contents of the article. i was new user to wikipedia so don't really know how to add the refernces and notability so after creattion i have written CONTD (continued)at end to add more.After first notice with help i could add those references,editing,numberings,notability,signature with time stamp and so removed the deletion notice because i addressed the raised concerns. The original source of this article is Nostradamus and his books so given references about him.article only supports the contents of nostradamus prophecy with strong evidences. The content of article supports nostradamus prophecy by simplifing the greek words(selina,hermes) those used by nostradamus. it simply aid the nostradamus original writings so its not original research. i am commited with wikipedia gudlines and terms of use and happy with the disscusion on the article quality evidences that will make it more trustworthy.i will keep on editing the article with more information. thanks --Anilkalsi78 (talk) 10:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The reference nostradamus is given to get a detailed introduction about him.It is not possibly to give all details about him and his work on this article.Actually this concept is broad.To understand nostradamus and his way of work it is required to go through the writings of diffrent researchers that helps the readers.--Anilkalsi78 (talk) 11:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Wikipedia is not a place to post your personal theories on Nostradamus or his theories. None of the sources provided show that this theory has any notability, nor do they actually back up any of the claims. This is all conjecture and theory, none of which have been proven or commented on by anyone notable or reliable. Please read over WP:RS and WP:OR.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 11:27, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * &hellip; while you read Project:Criteria for speedy deletion. Uncle G (talk) 12:41, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "nor do they actually back up any of the claims. This is all conjecture and theory, none of which have been proven or commented on by anyone notable or reliable. Please read over WP:RS and WP:OR." kindly notify the content that made you to think so.--117.254.216.100 (talk) 12:32, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per original PROD. Vague, unencyclopaedic, dreamy OR essay. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 11:28, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * yes sure wikipedia is not place for personal theories and i admitted and to use it as per terms and conditions.without going through the references and understanding the concept it cannot be said that work is fictious.--Anilkalsi78 (talk) 11:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please keep replies (if any) very brief, focussing on the key issue, which is whether there are reliable sources for the statements in the article.
 * Delete, WP:OR. Sources given have scant relevance in this vague and confusing essay. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:29, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete pure original research – and I'm wondering what speedy deletion criteria this can apply under... →  B  music  ian  12:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * what is ojectionable the way article is written or the person,location indicated with nostradamus quatrains.--Anilkalsi78 (talk) 12:56, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * is the moderation only for deletion? don't help to develop the article.--Anilkalsi78 (talk) 12:56, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * There's many things in the article that are original research by you, but I'll limit what I'll list. First off, you give a specific date of birth and nationality for Selin. Nowhere in Nostradamus's book does he mention the exact year that Selin will be born. Also, while Asia is mentioned in the prophecies, it's more commonly believed theory-wise that Selin will be a French king or possibly one of the Popes. There's nothing to say that a person from India couldn't ascend to the seat of the Pope or marry into the French royalty, but there's nothing to prove that they would either. It's all original research and theory on your part. As for sources, the links you've given don't mention your theory at all. While a census might be considered a reliable source on another article about a town in India, it can't be used as a reliable source on your article because it doesn't mention your theory at all. Reliable sources are articles, books, and the like that discuss the subject in depth and are considered to be reliable and verifiable per Wikipedia policy. None of the sources that I can see verify any of your specific theories. You can't just put any article or book as a source and claim that it verifies your research. That's not how Wikipedia works.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 12:58, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * To further show that nobody really has any idea where Selin will be born, there's also evidence to show that he could be either German or Greek, as evidenced by the line "Of Trojan blood he will be born with a German heart". So in other words, there's nothing to show that he will be specifically Indian.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 13:01, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * yes its true nostradamus have not given any nationality or person directly in his quatrains.But he has also explained the reason why he have not given any name in his letters about quatrains to his son and unknown king thats why reffered to these letters.he said if he might have done so this work might be deleted or destryoed long back in history.There would not be any sign of his work due to racism or people of perticular origin want to bias his work for their own glory.Thats why he tried to use confusing language,zodiac sign and the events of a perticular time to prevent misuse of his work.Dont underestimate nostradamus if he can see future long back in past he might also be aware of misuse of his work time to time and that he had already planed to encounter with. The quatrains in the articles are interlinked if read deeply."Of Trojan blood he will be born with a German heart" in quatrains nostradamus no where have written that he is chyren selin.its just view point may be biased.If i write country explored by columbus instead of writing America its one and the same things two sides of a coin.In same way nostradamus have written "The Religion of the name of the seas" means hindus named after hindmahasagar(indian occean).Similarly nostradamus have written in quatrain C1Q32 "The great empire will soon be transferred to a little place which will very soon come to grow:a very lowly place in a petty country in the middle of which he will come to lay down his sceptre"which proves its not france because france is not lowly petty country.While "aquatic triplicity" and "The Religion of the name of the seas" gives very strong reasons to believe it for india. --Anilkalsi78 (talk) 16:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * when you go through wikipedia page about zodiac indian and western astrology can understand the evidence about date of birth about certain place and person.nostradamus quatrain C2Q13"The body without soul no longer to be sacrificed:Day of death put for birthday:" and C5Q53 "The law of the Sun and of Venus in strife,Appropriating the spirit of prophecy:Neither the one nor the other will be understood,The law of the great Messiah will hold through the Sun" verify date 29 sept friday western zodiac libra and indian leo.when nostradamus want specify about time he reffers major incidents that takes place during the event of certain quatrain. Quatrains C10Q79 "The old roads will all be improved,One will procedd on them to the modern Memphis:The great Mercury of Hercules fleur-de-lys,Causing to tremble lands, sea and country" improvement of roads refered as govt of india project (NHAI-SOMA) gives solid evidence of improvement of roads and C10Q71 "The earth and air will freeze a very great sea,When they will come to venerate Thursday:That which will be never was it so fair,From the four parts they will come to honor it" the earh go towards mini Ice age --Anilkalsi78 (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Anilkalsi78, your opinion of the meaning of various selected quatrains of Nostradamus is just that, an opinion (which Wikipedia calls 'original research'). Wikipedia does not rely on anyone's opinion but on existing written facts from reliable sources. The only arguments that will be of any use are evidence that what is in the article is directly supported by specific books or published papers from reputable historical journals. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:33, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Its injustice if article of new user marked as "original research" or "eassy" without figuring out the contents of article that seems to be original research or essay.It appears to be marked due to some other reasons not due to terms of use of wikipedia.please be specific when you give comment.This topic is broad and required lots of study of refferd material to understand.however objections are welcomed and will be sorted as soon as possible.--Anilkalsi78 (talk) 16:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * respected Chiswick Chap sir
 * Is wikipedia article about punjab which is named after five rivers flows from there is not reliable sources?
 * Is wikipedia article about hermes (messenger of god from greek mythology)is not reliable sources?
 * Is wikipedia article about Selina(godess of moon from greek mythology)is not reliable sources?
 * Is govt of INDIA official website NHAI-soma 6 lane project panipat jalandhar is not reliable sources?
 * Is wikipedia article about Nostradamus is not reliable sources?
 * Is wikipedia article lost book of nostradamus is not reliable sources?
 * Is wikipedia article about sikhism is not reliable sources?
 * IS earhquake report 2011 increasing earthquake than normal is not reliable sources?
 * Is wikipedia article about indian occean(hindmahasagar)is not reliable sources?
 * These articles link nostradamus quatrains with person,place,time not my words. --Anilkalsi78 (talk) 16:57, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * They are not reliable in the way that you are using them. They are only usable as reliable sources if they directly and explicitly mention your specific theory in detail. That means that in order for any of this to be usable or verifiable, an earthquake report would have to mention your theory in detail. You are pulling things in from different sources in ways that is not what Wikipedia considers to be reliable or verifiable. These articles and links might be considered reliable sources for other articles but they are not considered to be reliable sources when used like this because none of them mention your theory or validate it in the slightest. I could link to an article about chickens and say that Chyren Selin is actually the chicken from the Family Guy cartoons and even work out an equation to where it matches up with the birth date of one of the people who drew him, but that does not back up or prove anything. You can argue until you are blue in the face, but the end result is the same: your article is original research, none of the sources you link to prove anything, none of them mention your specific theory, and we do not have to keep an article just because it was created by a new user. We aren't a collection of theories unless it can be proven that it is a notable theory discussed by very notable persons and backed up with reliable sources that explicitly mention that specific theory. You can't link to an article that might vaguely brush against parts of your theory and claim that it proves anything because it doesn't. Just because Nostradamus and his works are notable does not mean that every theory ever thought up is notable.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:47, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Chiswick Chap sir there wont be any long post from me here from now onwards.


 * Delete as original research. Dawn Bard (talk) 17:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


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