Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cigar guy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 09:54, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Cigar guy

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It seems that all sources for this one-off event happened within a few days of when the photo was taken almost two years ago. So was the previous AfD. I can find no evidence that this has any lasting significance. We don't need articles on everything that hits the magazine and blogsphere for a few days. To clarify, this is basically a WP:NOTNEWS nomination, except that I'm not sure it even rises to the level of "news". Lady of  Shalott  15:38, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note - the first deletion discussion is located at Articles for deletion/2010 Ryder Cup photograph. Lady  of  Shalott  15:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions.  Lady  of  Shalott  15:42, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Golf-related deletion discussions.  Lady  of  Shalott  15:48, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep There was lots of international coverage for this and notability does not expire. Per our editing policy, there are better alternatives than deletion such as merger with 2010 Ryder Cup, Miguel Ángel Jiménez and/or List of Internet phenomena and so the matter is best handled by ordinary editing. Warden (talk) 15:57, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete or Merge. As the nominator stated, this was a brief, one off event that garnered a sudden spike of interest immediately following its occurance, and then quickly faded into obscurity.  While the article is technically supposed to be about the individual, I would say that Wikpedia's policy on WP:NEVENTS is more applicable here since the article and its sources are mainly about the phenemenon that surrounded the taking of the photo.  And that policy states that one-off events like this need to demonstrate lasting signifigance and a duration of the sources, both of which this article fails.  I would not be opposed to having this merged to List of Internet phenomena, but not kept as its own article.  Rorshacma (talk) 17:48, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge There are enough articles to make an argument for notability, but the "Cigar Guy" clearly seems to be a historical footnote within the context of the 2010 Ryder Cup. "Cigar Guy" should be merged with that article, or it can be deleted since it already is listed in List of Internet phenomena, and it doesn't warrant more of a paragraph of coverage (as with all internet memes). Father McKenzie (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per Father McKenzie. I won't begrudge the topic its coverage on the list, but it doesn't deserve more. Keeping this article creates a ridiculous precedent (though I'd be the first to recreate Juggernaut Bitch if we really want to elevate memes so). --BDD (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oooh, thanks for mentioning Juggernaut Bitch, that's a fascinating little bit of Wikipedia history there, well before my time. The first AfD was in April 2006, when Wikipedia was a much wilder and busier place, with "policy" being window-dressing in most AfDs.  But even this still survives at Juggernaut_(comics).--Milowent • hasspoken  16:00, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete There is no evidence that this has had any lasting effect. Merging to list of internet phenomena would be acceptable. AniMate 21:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per my comments in the prior AfD, and so as to not destroy my beautiful link farm in Articles for deletion/Orville (cat) which no doubt drew attention to this article. No worries, there are many more articles just like this that no one active at AfD ever notices.  But if for some reason the consensus is to delete, we should merge and trim the content and put into the currently insufferably boring 2010 Ryder Cup article, with a mention at List of Internet phenomena.--Milowent • hasspoken  15:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Kinda straightforward, textbook WP:BLP1E, really. Coverage only in the context of the event?  Check.  Low-profile individual?  Another set of criteria to note at WP:LOWPROFILE, basically noting whether the person is actively self-promoting or seeking attention for the event, none of which apply to this person. (One segment on "Today" doesn't cut it).  3rd criteria of BLP1E is the significance of the event itself and the person's place at/in it.  A guy who happened to be in the right place at the right time for a photo of something else just doesn't curt it.  Reminds me a bit of Articles for deletion/Audrey Tomason, a person briefly virally "famous" for a single event.  At best, I could see this as a redirect to a photobomb, with an appropriate mention, if such an article could be justified.  Note that BLP1E invalidates "notability is not temporary"-style arguments. Tarc (talk) 18:01, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, as mentioned a poster-child WP:BLP1E. Mentions in other articles as Milowent suggests would be fine, but there's no need for a redirect from here. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:55, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment BLP1E does indeed describe this perfectly. I don't know why I didn't think of it when I made the nomination for deletion. Lady  of  Shalott  18:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Its not a BLP1E in the usual sense I've seen it used, because the picture is what got famous, the guys name is barely known, and no one cares about that even though the article mentions his name. Cigar Guy is the same thing as Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima. EXACTLY.  haha.  I say that just to elicit a facepalm from Tarc.--Milowent • hasspoken  19:17, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.