Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cihan Can


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The result was   keep. JForget 02:49, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Cihan Can

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The player did not played in a fully-pro league (ie Turkish Super League), failed WP:GNG and WP:athlete Matthew_hk   t  c  16:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC) Comment - he's played in 5 Turkish Cup matches and 80+ TFF First League matches - I suspect that passes WP:ATHLETE.
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 * As far as I know, the TFF First League is only semi-pro, although I'm no expert. As for the Turkish Cup, If he played for a fully pro team against a fully pro team then he would meet WP:ATHLETE, however I can't find any source to support that he did play in the cup. Would you mind pointing out your source? (Please bear in mind that my turkish is extremely limited) Sir Sputnik (talk) 03:14, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I would be surprised if the First League is semi-pro, but I don't know any Turkish. The TFF website's English sections show that his current club has 32 professional players (and other clubs in the league have similar totals). He has also played in the Cup against Besiktas (see match report). Jogurney (talk) 04:04, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment The "Professional" players of the squad, some of them were youth player and played at A2 League (Reserve League). For the Cup, the first round of the match was 1 League against 2 League. So Super Lig club opponent may or may not a notable/fully-pro club.   Matthew_hk   t  c  08:26, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't follow you. If Gaziantep BBSpor has 32 pro players, why wouldn't the club be fully-pro, and by extension, why wouldn't Can pass WP:ATHLETE for playing in the Cup against another fully-pro side (Besiktas)? Jogurney (talk) 13:50, 22 February 2010 (UTC)



Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 05:14, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment the TFF site list him as "professional" but according to FIFA, professional player were those their wage could support his expanse, oppose to semi-pro or amateur that he need to work part-time to support his life. Please find a source to prove TFF First League is a fully-pro league.  Matthew_hk   t  c  16:20, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

Keep - per sources provided by Jogurney. He "[has] played in a competitive fixture between two fully professional clubs in a domestic ... club competition." (WP:FOOTYN). Gaziantep Büyükşehir Belediyespor is a professional team per this page (note you have to click search to see the list of pro players), and has played against Beşiktaş J.K., a Süper Lig team and therefore fully pro, in the Turkish Cup, a domestic club competition. That's basis enough for keeping in my opinion. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:45, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - I believe the cup match against Beşiktaş is sufficient to pass WP:ATHLETE, and would be surprised if his 80+ TFF First League matches don't satisfy it as well. Jogurney (talk) 00:27, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment The TFF site listed third league players and youth players of Super Lig clubs were "professional" but is that really "fully-professional players"? It is, the players did not need to work part-time as semi-pro. The Brazilian FA (CBF) also listed State League players were "professional". Matthew_hk  t  c  01:48, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * In a past AfD, some of the Brazilian editors (including Caroica, I think) reported that most Brazilian clubs who play in the state leagues are fully-pro. Keep in mind that we are talking about the second tier, nationwide league of Turkey here, not some backwater level of football. Moreover, there are quite a few google news hits for this player, I just don't have the tools to translate them from Turkish to English confidently. Jogurney (talk) 02:17, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
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