Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cinema of Kurdistan


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The result was merge to Kurdish cinema.  Sandstein  16:33, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Cinema of Kurdistan

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No such country as "Kurdistan". This is nothing more than an irridentist attempt to proclaim a certain form of e-nationalism, as done so often on Wikipedia by/for peoples and ethnicities that don't have a nation or state. Its like creating an article called Cinema of Friesland for the Frisian people; that would be pretty ridiculous as well. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:15, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to Kurdish cinema, a pre-existing article covering the same ground. Cinema is part of culture rather than politics, and Kurdish culture certainly exists even if a country called Kurdistan doesn't. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that's weird! I had completely forgotten about that article (Kurdish cinema). Yes, I'd obviously support a merge/redirect to that article as well. Thanks for your constructive response! - LouisAragon (talk) 16:48, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

* Strong Keep: This is an important article that contribute to the Kurdistan portal and Kurdish Culture, with realize citation, quotes from book, and academic research in the Reference section. Since cinema is important part of any culture, it is useful to have this article on on Wiki, give more insight into the Kurdish culture, the history of Kurdish cinema, and the import films coming out of Kurdistan. I also approve to have Kurdish cinema article merged into this one, because Cinema of Kurdistan is more proper way to describe the Cinematic movement in four part of Kurdistan than just have arctic with tittle "Kurdish Cinema", true that Kurdistan does not exist officially as a country, but geographically it define the border of the Kurdish populated area in Middle East, and Kurdistan is a word that is used to describe these area. I find the comment of the user LouisAragons rather prejudice and facets saying "There is no such country as "Kurdistan"", there is Kurdistan and it divided between Iraq, Iran, Syria and Iran, just as there is Palestine, Catalonia, Basque, Kashmir all those country have their own Cinematic page. So this attempt by LouisAragon to delete this page is based on political bias against Kurdish people, a form of censorship that should not be allowed here on Wikipida, clearly there is Kurdistan and Wiki has a large article on Kurdistan, or user like LouisAragon also wan to delete the Kurdistan page also? I suggest a strong keep and help to improve it in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadra.elif (talk • contribs) 18:07, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The user LouisAragon (talk) who wanted this article to be deleted is recommended to be investigated for Vandalism, for I have noticed many deletion into Kurdish, Assyrian and Armenian articles and info by this user, LouisAragon (talk) and Kurdish, Assyrian and Armenian related page, since he/she contribute anything to Kurdish, Assyrian nor Armenian pages, he/she should not delete important information on Kurdish, Assyrian and Armenian related pages, nor should he/she use foul and abusive language, it seem there are many who have issue with him/her, because he/she deleted artciles and info which is Vandalism. One way he/she does this is by recommending to delete many pages that are important to Kurdish, Assyrian and Armenian cultures, just today LouisAragon recommenced that Cinema of Kurdistan article be deleted because according to her/him; "There is no Kurdistan", but Wiki has a large article that there is Kurdistan, if Wiki allow such prejudice and censorship, then Wiki might as well delete every article that reefer to Kurdistan to fulfill LouisAragon wishes. I have also noticed he/she promote Turkish and Iranian nationalism in many articles without giving proper citation and reference based on his/her believes and commentary, and I have recommend some for deletion to prove it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mara kara (talk • contribs) 00:01, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The article says that it covers "native Kurdish or Kurdish filmmakers abroad", so is self-evidently is not about only the cinema of Kurdistan but about Kurdish cinema everywhere in the world. If it was about only the cinema of Kurdistan then you would have to exclude the work of Kurdish filmmakers abroad. I have no idea whether LouisAragons has any prejudice about this, so assume not per WP:AGF, but I certainly have no interest in nationalist conflicts in the Middle East, but am looking at this issue from a neutral point of view. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:51, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect/Merge to Kurdish cinema per 86.17.222.157 TonyBallioni (talk) 19:33, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

*With reference to the user's comment (talk) which take a line from the article and manipulate the meaning of it, when it said: "native Kurdish or Kurdish filmmakers abroad", the article mention these are Kurdish Filmmakers who made films in Kurdistan, they are Kurdish, the two that are mentioned are Karzan Kardozi and Huner Salim, both are Kurdish who went to France and US as refugees, then came back to Kurdistan to make their films, their films are shot on location in Kurdistan, made by Kurdish directors and Kurdish staff and it is part of Cinema of Kurdistan. According to your logic: We should not mention the Spanish directors Luis Bunuel in Cinema of Mexico because he was born in Spain and a Spaniard but contribute much to Cinema of Mexican and his name is all over the page of Cinema of Mexico here in Wiki, but those directors that are mentioned in this article are Kurdish, born in Kurdistan, but because of war left and came back and made films in Kurdistan, so it is part of Kurdistan. As for the user, "LouisAragon", when he says "There is no Kurdistan", that is a prejudice and Fascist lines that are mostly used by Turkish and Persian nationalist, and I looked at his/her page, she/he is a contributor to many Nationalist Turkish and Iranian article and describe him/her self as half "Iranian", so his/her wanting to delete this post because "There is no Kurdistan" is based on his/her prejudice, you might not be aware of the "Nationalist conflict in Middle East", but as a Kurd, I'm aware of the prejudice Kurdish people face, their land divided between four countries, denied their basic right, and words like 'LouisAragon' use been repeating for the past 100 years since Kurdistan was divided; "There is no Kurdistan". If "LouisAragon" have a reason to removed and delete this article, he/she need to come with better reason, because Wiki already prove there is Kurdistan, and here is an article here about Kurdistan. There has been many removal of Kurdish related articles and deletion by the liked of "LouisAragon" and others, this is a clear sign of censorship and against the rules of Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadra.elif (talk • contribs) 22:14, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * This article should be Kept: And I have recommended that a user like LouisAragon ((talk) should be investigated for the real motive of wanting this article to be deleted, I have looked at this users page and many times deleted Kurdish related topics, with words like "There is no Kurdistan", it is clear there is nationalist motive behind wanting an informative article like this to be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mara kara (talk • contribs) 23:29, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It is indisputable that there is not a Kurdish nationstate. Whether there should be is a matter that is not something we can solve here. There already exists an article on Kurdish cinema, which looks to be the best place for this information to be presented until such a time that a Kurdish nationstate exists, at which time we can discuss the naming of the article. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:21, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. North America1000 03:32, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. North America1000 03:32, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge as above. And, somebody take these socks to the trash! Muffled Pocketed  10:44, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge When wondering which title would be preferable, I thought that "Kurdish Cinema" made more sense than "Cinema of Kurdistan", as it's scope is simpler. While there is a region known as Kurdistan, I don't see evidence that it provides the sort of support or structures that connect movies made in political units. "Kurdish Cinema" on the other hand could include movies made in Kurdish areas as well as in the diaspora. As an aside there have been moves in general to shift artistic topics from "X of COUNTRY" to "DEMONYM X", such as in articles about Literature. It may be that Cinema articles could do with a similar mass move. CMD (talk) 14:02, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The article should be deleted. Even though I do support Kurdish independence, since there's no officially recognized state covering the area that you have considered within these articles, it is technically wrong to claim it. The mentioned articles should be merged together, entitled Kurdish artists in cinema or (less preferably) Kurdish cinema. —Rye-96 (talk) 14:34, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Comment Striking through sockpuppet edits, see Sockpuppet investigations/KurdoKardir. Doug Weller talk 15:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You know, that makes my eyes go funny! Couldn't you just revert them- would look a lot cleaner Muffled  Pocketed  15:40, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry, User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi, as there have been replies which would make no sense if I deleted them, I can't. I normally delete only if there's been no reply. Doug Weller  talk 15:50, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Balls :p it's like looking into The Matrix... in B&W!!! Muffled Pocketed  15:58, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge as suggested. Bearian (talk) 19:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.