Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Circle Of Thorns


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Circle Of Thorns

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This article was tagged for speedy deletion a while ago, but the member from another band prevented my deletion. Several months later, no further evidence of notability has been put forth. So it's not a notable band, and should be deleted. seresin ( ¡? )  22:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - The article needs to be fleshed out and improved, but that's what Wikipedia's for, and you haven't made any coherent argument for deleting it. Fumoses (talk) 23:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- THEN WHO WAS PHONE? (talk) 04:08, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:V. Typical non-notable MySpace band with a self-produced CD. Band is not listed at allmusic and other web searches fail to produce independent third-party mention of the group.  In short there is no evidence that the sources needed to comply with Verifiability exist. --Allen3 talk 14:31, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  TravellingCari  02:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete; Myspace is not a good source. No other reason to believe that sources exist. RockManQ  (talk) 02:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not the slightest evidence that meet any notability or sourcing standards. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 01:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep or Redirect to A. J. Pero: Acceptable criteria 6 of the Criteria for musicians and ensembles guidlines states "A musician or ensemble is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria" : 6. "Contains at least one notable musician; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such, and that common sense exceptions always apply." A. J. Pero was a member of Twisted Sister, who are notable. The Criteria for musicians and ensembles guidlines, acceptable criteria number 6, is currently one of the few guidlines where notability is allowed to be inherited. The band has received some secondary coverage, although at this point nothing more than mentions in blogs, articles and interviews primarily about Twisted Sister, such as this one: Twisted Sister "Nos encanta tomar parte en causas benéficas" Paisajes Electricos Magazine interview (translated title "We love to take part in charitable causes"). Rough translation of the relevent section:
 * Well, I guess at some point in your life you've made some music?
 * AJ: ''I got my new band, I'm preparing to play, This is my band, which is called the Circle of Thorns.
 * And who makes up the band?
 * AJ: On Guitars, Steve Irons and Rico Mancini; on bass, Jimmy Brix, Sean B.; on Keyboards, Johnny Young and of course myself on drums.
 * Too much focus is being put on their official myspace page, they do have an official non-myspace website too - Welcome to Circle Of Thorns. Although beyond using the information contained on either site to verify things such as band members, concert dates or album information it does not establish "notability" any more than any other official website does. Soundvisions1 (talk) 17:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


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