Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Circle of Death (drinking game) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus.  Grue  17:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Circle of Death (drinking game)
One of the unsourced, and at this time externally unverifiable drinking game articles listed in a mass deletion earlier today (Articles for deletion/Circle of Death (drinking game)) Per the closing statement of this aborted mass-nomination, this is an individual relist of the article. -- Saberwyn 07:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete drunkcruft.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 08:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Adding a request for verifiable sources to this article page would be a good way to start this process.  Not having verification isn't an automatic deletion criterion, being unverifiable is - an important distinction.  Before nominating an article for deletion, shouldn't the nominator at least research the article themselves, adding the sources if possible?  I haven't tackled notability as this is not the reason given for nomination, but all drinking game are cultural memes that have lasted in many cases for centuries and appear in various places in popular literature etc. Vizjim 11:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: WP:V says, "The obligation to provide a reputable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it." --Hetar 16:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * agreed, especially since I provided an Amazon search last time around. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 13:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete absent verifiable sources, evidence of notability or any reason to care. Just zis Guy you know? 12:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. Notable game, listed in such publications as The Best Drinking Game Book Ever, and the BarMeister's Big Book of Drinking Games, where it's referred to as "Kings" like in the article.   With over 250 drinking game books listed at Amazon... --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 13:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment 250 drinking game books? Wow.  I would have been impressed if there were even one (exluding self-published), but 250?  And those are just the ones that mention this game?  Wow.  ergot 01:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know if they all mention this game, but only two on Amazon show any sort of contents that I was able to find, and, between the two that I picked, cover all but 3 of these AfDs. My rationale is that, based on the sample and amount of books, there's little chance that these don't exist.  This game, in particular, appears to be listed in both that I noted above.  --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 01:28, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per User:JzG, especially the reason to care. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's no Beer pong. Brian G. Crawford 21:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete. Collegecruft/drinkingcruft. This should not have its own article; WP:NOT a rulebook for drinking games. I will admit that, while I hate most drinking games, this one is pretty fun. But that's completely irrelevant. Delete. Paul 21:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unless all 101 card games nobody has ever heard of in 101 Best Family Card Games are also going to get their own pages. This is my opinion about the other games, too. BigDT 02:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not? --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 02:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Again another widely noted drinking game &mdash; it would be disappointing to lose such games from Wikipedia. Cedars 06:18, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep If wikipedia was paper, we'd merge & reduce the drinking game rules articles, but its not paper, and this appears to be the standard format for these games. Whatever.  In fact, I suspect having such articles serves the valid meta-purpose of making wikipedia more welcoming to collage students.  OTOH, I'm not sure we need quite sooo many pokemon adicts.  :)  JeffBurdges 15:21, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Trim and merge with Kings (drinking game). -- GWO


 * It's a different, if similar, game than Kings. Similar concept, but different rules.  Why delete it?  For what it's worth, this game *is* popular with college kids, and is well known, at least in Texas.
 * strong keep and cleanup, this article needs to sourced, that's it. If Beer Pong can have an article, probably due to notablity on College Campuses, then so should this. Dspserpico 03:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The article was of use to my friends and I. I think you should keep it. -Audrey


 * weak delete An automobile repair manual is also useful, but it doesn't belong here. Due to the point about this being an instruction manual. It seems to belong either in Wiktionary or perhaps as a two-sentence entry in "Drinking Games".


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.