Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cisternostomy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mainly due to promotion concerns. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:49, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Cisternostomy

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This surgical procedure appears to be the brain-child of surgeon Dr Iype Cherian, and there is limited coverage in reliable sources that aren't authored by him. There is no coverage in medical text-books. It is not sufficiently notable to warrant an article. Note that the word is also used in the context of ventriculo-cisternostomy developed by Arne Torkildsen which is covered at Ventriculostomy. Note also that article is the result of paid editing, and as such it lacks any critical commentary on the procedure. I doubt this can fixed by editing, due to the lack of independent sources. --Pontificalibus 16:04, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:08, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment This is tricky to evaluate for someone who is not conversant with the subject matter, so just some general impressions:
 * - I don't think the provided sources necessarily show a problem with uptake. It's not straightforward to tell when a new concept has broken out of the group of its originators, but it appears to me that the spread of authors here is okay if still a little clannish. Same with cites for the original article ; some names pop up rather frequently but it's by no means just those.
 * - Promotion and POV might be an issue to some extent. There's an apparently overlooked little sentence hiding in plain sight... The retraction damage of orbitofrontal gyri is a small price to pay in bringing down intracranial pressure is what Dr Cherian feels about this.... that kind of thing does not inspire confidence. There is an apparently good faith "Limitations" section, but I'm getting a "very carefully phrased" vibe from that. And the largely unsourced "Development" section also has a similar drift. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:34, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as WP:NOTPROMOTION, article created by a paid (now banned for socking) editor that appears to be pushing a particular surgical technique, a quick gsearch brings up sites/papers by the one surgeon, Dr Cherian, as brought out by nominator, and just a warning to other editors, one of the gsearch pages sent me to a "your computer has a number of viruses" scam page that jammed my computer, a wikifirst for me (GGGGRRRRRR!!!!). Coolabahapple (talk) 23:18, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete or WP:TNT. I was the original filer of the SPI referred to above.  Some quick searching found enough sources (including, not for the squeamish, a YouTube video of the procedure being performed) to convince me that a reasonable article could be written about this.  We've certainly got plenty of similar articles.  But, the current version is so obviously a puff-piece for a particular practitioner, a total rewrite from scratch is the only possible way forward.  -- RoySmith (talk) 19:49, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.