Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Civic virtue

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was keep. FCYTravis 6 July 2005 02:31 (UTC)

Civic virtue
Dicdef Denni &#9775; 2005 June 28 03:55 (UTC) Comment: I take your point, but is it not possible that such a stub could have been lost in the mass of 600K articles and never be expanded. My belief is that in the wikipaedia projesct a substantial article no matter how flawed ( and I think you article is very good) is far better as a basis for revision than a tiny stub.--Porturology 29 June 2005 00:53 (UTC)
 * Weak keep A notable concept and an article which can be expanded upon. CanadianCaesar 28 June 2005 04:03 (UTC)
 * Keep - agree with CanadianCaesar. An article could discuss the role of personal virtue in different political systems, as well as the creation of institutions dexsigned to foster specific civic virtues in future generations. FreplySpang (talk) 28 June 2005 04:07 (UTC)
 * Delete, this article could do a lot of things, but it doesn't, the vfd isn't about the concept it's about the article.--nixie 28 June 2005 07:10 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, needs expansion + tag with the appropriate stub. -- Lochaber 28 June 2005 09:13 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable concept, reasonable start. Kappa 28 June 2005 09:36 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Kappa - articles on topics like this are exactly what makes Wikipedia Wikipedic! -- BD2412 talk June 28, 2005 15:58 (UTC)
 * Keep, needs expansion, see Kappa comments --eleuthero 28 June 2005 17:51 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep - it's one thing to have sub-stubs of people or concrete events/dates/etc., but for an abstract concept such as this it's a bit hard to justify. I was going to vote delete, but I'll grudgingly admit that with some famous philosopher comments about the subject and a little Benjamin Franklin thrown in, it could make great article. StopTheFiling June 28, 2005 18:11 (UTC)
 * (Weak) keep: obviously needs expansion, but a major subject in political philosophy. Smerdis of Tlön June 28, 2005 19:23 (UTC)
 * I have endeavored to expand it, albeit with vague remembered material about Athens and Rome. It still wants a lot of work, and more recent material. Smerdis of Tlön June 28, 2005 19:43 (UTC)
 * delete I agree with Stop the Filling but this article needs awell considered essay rather than a substub which does nothing but increase the authors contribution count--Porturology 28 June 2005 19:17 (UTC)
 * Comment. First, the article is now much expanded, certainly no longer a stub. Second, I see nothing wrong with creating a stub on a worthy topic. I've done so many times, with the hopes that persons more knowledgeable than myself on the topic would add their knowledge. If not, then I'll go back and expand it. In light of this, perhaps the suggestion that it "does nothing but increase the authors contribution count" is uncharitable. -- BD2412 talk June 28, 2005 21:45 (UTC)
 * Keep now that there is an article--Porturology 29 June 2005 00:47 (UTC)
 * Keep article as expanded. I love it when this happens. Had this article never come to VfD, it could have lived a long life as a say-nothing substub. Denni &#9775; 2005 June 29 02:27 (UTC)
 *  Weak keep. The article skates mighty comes close to WP:NOR in parts, I think, but not close enough for deletion. -Splash June 29, 2005 02:39 (UTC)
 * I've expanded it even more, added some references and quotations, and even a picture. :) Smerdis of Tlön June 29, 2005 15:05 (UTC)
 * Comment excellent work, this is an interesting topic, I imagine that it could develop into featured status at some point. - Jersyko talk  June 29, 2005 16:36 (UTC)
 * Comment &mdash; this is what VfD should be about. Not getting rid of vanity articles endlessly but determining whether there is some value in an apparently value-less article. This is great work. I still think that it reads somewhat as an essay, but it does now have references and things so this is clear-cut-keep. And as for FAC,...yes I think so, eventually. -Splash June 29, 2005 18:52 (UTC)
 * Keep a decent start to an article, notable subject. - Jersyko talk  June 29, 2005 12:30 (UTC)
 * keep it definitely it is sure not a dictionary def Yuckfoo 29 June 2005 22:06 (UTC)
 * Comment: It used to be.  I am so glad I voted keep on this, albeit weakly.  The article has been made awesome.  I just edited it a little and added a section on modern times, and gave it its second picture.  CanadianCaesar 30 June 2005 22:58 (UTC)
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