Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Civil Society app


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The result was delete. I disregarded the comments by the two blocked socks. MelanieN (talk) 01:10, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Civil Society app

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Hype-heavy (borderline WP:G11) article with no real claim to notability; closest I find on Google search is a PowerPoint presentation given at a conference by one of the inventors, although name makes googling difficult. Nat Gertler (talk) 09:47, 28 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep -- Clear notable on opinion of: Internet Society: "The team has created innovative functionality within the Civil Society application", John Smith memorial trust: [], and, and TechCamp: “sms-like” widget, which helped to provide pilot «voting from mobile» during President and Parliament election (2014). Our efforts with other actors prevented civil conflict and helped to fix peace after tragedy of the 02.05.14 in Odessa. Pilot findings helped to create new powerful democracy tool - Civil Society app, now there is pilot implementation. About googling difficult - it is a question about SEO, not the software importance. Try to find Grep by 'text searching' keywords, you will not find it even in top 50th. 'civil society software' you will find in on 31 position. About WP:G11 take a look on some software descriptions like DemocracyOS or Linux. Which one is better describes the software itself? Short and unclear description of DemocracyOS or hype-heavy Linux? If the article needs changes or adding more link of importance it is not a reason to delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipadm (talk • contribs) 13:07, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * So your sources for notability of this app are not third party sources but affiliated, and are mostly not about this app but are about earlier software? --Nat Gertler (talk) 13:39, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I showed only most known and English written sorces. For example here Ukrainian and Russian language sources: Civil Society app або Влада співпраці людей в цифрову епоху (ГРОМАДСЬКИЙ ПРОСТІР), Вийшла веб-версія додатку Civil Society app (Громадянське Суспільство). Приєднуйтесь до тестування! (ГУРТ), ИМЕННО ОНИ БУДУТ УПРАВЛЯТЬ ГОРОДОМ! (Думская.нет), Голосувати на виборах онлайн. Можливо? (ГРОМАДСЬКИЙ ПРОСТІР), Додаток Civil Society app – запрошуємо на перше он-лайн обговорення, Civil Society ap: Онлайн обговорення перших кроків до співпраці людей в цифрову епоху в Україні (ГУРТ), Революція громад в Україні стала можливою (UAINFO), Революция общин в Украине стала возможной (ХВИЛЯ), Конгресс патриотических организаций юга Украины, видеорепортаж с Конгресса, Основні механізми Громадянського Суспільства (ГРОМАДСЬКИЙ ПРОСТІР), МОДЕЛІ ПОВОЄННОГО МАЙБУТНЬОГО (Українська правда), Мобільні технології для НУО, ч 1 (ГРОМАДСЬКИЙ ПРОСТІР), Мобільні технології для НУО, ч 2 приклади (ГРОМАДСЬКИЙ ПРОСТІР), Мобільні технології для НУО, ч 1 (ГУРТ), Мобільні технології для НУО, ч 2 приклади (ГУРТ), Завлечь активизм в интернет (MISTOSITE), (http://www.prostir.ua/?news=hromadski-objednannya-ukrajiny-budut-znachno-posyleni Громадські об’єднання України будуть значно посилені (ГРОМАДСЬКИЙ ПРОСТІР)], CivilSocietyLab: громадські об’єднання в Україні будуть значно посилені (ГУРТ), Анонс Civil Society app (Одесский Кризисный Медиа Центр), В помощь активному гражданину (ТК КРУГ), Активные граждане (DumskayaTV), БЕЗПОСЕРЕДНЄ МІСЦЕВЕ САМОВРЯДУВАННЯ — ЧАС ДЛЯ ОБГОВОРЕННЯ (ГУРТ), БЕЗПОСЕРЕДНЄ МІСЦЕВЕ САМОВРЯДУВАННЯ — ЧАС ДЛЯ ОБГОВОРЕННЯ (ГРОМАДСЬКИЙ ПРОСТІР). There are no affiliation with those sources. And no, there are not the different or earlier software. SMS voting is a part of Civil Society app, but in case of high cost of SMS service it activates only when we receive a support for it. Civil Society app was based on experience of and included it --Ipadm (talk) 14:12, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * "There are no affiliation with those sources"? So you're saying that the "Вадим Георгієнко" who wrote this article you cite is not the person of the same name being called the "team leader of the development team Civil Society app" (translated) in this article? --Nat Gertler (talk) 17:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The first link you mentioned is really link to the content created by Vadim Georgienko, but it is not so easy to publish an article in the most known site. The second link is an interview article made by "Громадський простір" so it is fully independent! If you take a look at the dates of publishing, you will find that first article was independent interview from 31.08.2015. And for the other future questions about other links: it was 24 links given, you found one partially independent, but not less important - is it a good reason to delete article about software for Democracy? From those 24 links 12 are clearly independent and are very reliable sources. --Ipadm (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I have not reviewed all the links you posted, as reviewing pages in languages I do not speak is a time-consuming effort... but given how I found non-independent material in just the few I sample, I am not encouraged to take your word on how independent nor how significant the other ones are. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:38, 4 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - Not a notable subject. Nothing noted by reliable sources. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 18:17, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * 1. This is article about a software for Democracy - isn't it important knowledge for encyclopedia? 2.Reliable sources now added to the article (External links): Civil Society app або Влада співпраці людей в цифрову епоху (ГРОМАДСЬКИЙ ПРОСТІР), Вийшла веб-версія додатку Civil Society app (Громадянське Суспільство). Приєднуйтесь до тестування! (ГУРТ), Голосувати на виборах онлайн. Можливо? (ГРОМАДСЬКИЙ ПРОСТІР), Додаток Civil Society app – запрошуємо на перше он-лайн обговорення, Революція громад в Україні стала можливою (UAINFO) - let me translate it: "Communities revolution in Ukraine is now became possible" said Ukrainian most known modern philosopher Mr.Datsiuk in the article on the one of the most known news site, Революция общин в Украине стала возможной (ХВИЛЯ) - an other one of the most known news site translated and republished opiniom of the most known modern philosopher Mr.Datsiuk, Конгресс патриотических организаций юга Украины - one of the most popular TV chanel published a reportage, МОДЕЛІ ПОВОЄННОГО МАЙБУТНЬОГО (Українська правда) - '"After war" future models' an other article of the philosopher Mr.Datsiuk where he was mentioned a Civil Society app, Завлечь активизм в интернет (MISTOSITE) - independent media reportage, В помощь активному гражданину (ТК КРУГ) - independent media reportage,Активные граждане (DumskayaTV) - independent media reportage --Ipadm (talk) 17:37, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:56, 4 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I have not reviewed everything in this, but will note that while you describe Mr. Datsiuk as a "philosopher", his own Facebook page (going through Google translate) describes him foremost as a "publicist". That's in line with what we see in this hype-laden article: a publicity attempt. --Nat Gertler (talk) 17:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Google simple search for "Сергей Дацюк" shows he is a modern philosopher https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Google_search_result_snapshot_for_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%94%D0%B0%D1%86%D1%8E%D0%BA_request.png - "Sergey A. Datsyuk - Ukrainian modern philosopher. In 1991 graduated from the Philosophy Faculty of Kiev University. Shevchenko. Wrote numerous philosophical articles and essays, is also the author of books online.". The same you will find in Article about him in Ukrainian version of Wikipedia --Ipadm (talk) 18:58, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, you find the same in the Wikipedia entry as in the Google result because Google is taking their information from Wikipedia, as they note. And Wikipedia is not a reliable source. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:38, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Just googling result on "sergey datsyuk" 1st link and media activity observer - Ukrainian modern philosopher, political scientist.


 * Keep -- This is a good article about Open Source software same as Sammaty, LiquidFeedback or DemocracyOS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Людмила Лєвих (talk • contribs) — Людмила Лєвих (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:34, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Ipadm and Людмила Лєвих have been indefinitely blocked as socks. See Sockpuppet investigations/Ipadm.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as this article will certainly need better improvement especially regarding overall appearance and sourcing. SwisterTwister   talk  06:47, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions.  SwisterTwister   talk  06:47, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


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