Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Civil societarianism


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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 15:54, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Civil societarianism

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Quoted, this gets under a hundred GHits, including about a dozen Wikipedia pages in which it's linked. I can't find any evidence that this is a significant concept. Guy (Help!) 22:58, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Not significant in the literature. Neutralitytalk 04:15, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak delete - results for a search at google scholar seem to imply some significance in the literature, but it feels like it would be a better fit at wiktionary, so maybe transwiki, but I don't know if it satisfies policies over there. Smmurphy(Talk) 18:03, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GeoffreyT2000  ( talk,  contribs ) 00:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, Merge, or Redirect If I went by the article alone, I would have supported deletion; there was only one reference and that reference was a broken link. However, I was able to recover it on webarchive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/20070225050739/http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=022107A  since deletion rests on a lack of notability and not a failure of editors to include sources, I did a quick search and found the topic in several publications right away:

https://mereorthodoxy.com/civil-societarianism-and-the-place-of-the-church/

http://www.ideasinactiontv.com/tcs_daily/2007/02/religion-government-and-civil-society.html

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2132273

https://books.google.com/books?id=0TSSBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA213&lpg=PA213&dq=Civil+Societarian&source=bl&ots=f4GUHr7Xrm&sig=DqRMUhiJyZINXcFKXEv8diilO80&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpy-zj_YPTAhVJ9YMKHWWmCm0Q6AEIPzAH#v=onepage&q=Civil%20Societarian&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=iVmkCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA187&lpg=PA187&dq=Civil+Societarian&source=bl&ots=enLu1usKmy&sig=UDSF8ZqGgErbOYaUayrNwsfJHMs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpy-zj_YPTAhVJ9YMKHWWmCm0Q6AEIQTAI#v=onepage&q=Civil%20Societarian&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=RYSxAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=Civil+Societarian&source=bl&ots=qt06dygMrd&sig=IhjRIsSaug9rWHgrOV7o7MuP3-Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpy-zj_YPTAhVJ9YMKHWWmCm0Q6AEIQzAJ#v=onepage&q=Civil%20Societarian&f=false

My search yielded 3,410 results so this isn't as obscure as the Wikipedia article made it appear. I am not real familiar with the topic, so perhaps this is already covered in a broader article and doesn't require one of its own, in which case it should be merged. There may also be a synonymous phrase already covered in Wikipedia in which case a redirection of this page would be in order. --Truthtests (talk) 19:42, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


 * But these all use the phrase in different ways &mdash; there's no indication that this is a well-understood concept that can be cohesively explained or described. Neutralitytalk 21:06, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Onel 5969  TT me 18:00, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The sources listed above are merely a collection of works that use the words next to each other, but there is no consistency in what they mean by the term.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 08:48, 15 April 2017 (UTC).
 * Delete Not a commonly used term in scholarship, and no widely-accepted meaning; just a rare phrase open to various interpretations by different authors. —Lowellian (reply) 02:18, 16 April 2017 (UTC)


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