Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clann An Drumma


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Noting also that the nominator has withdrawn their nomination. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 14:05, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Clann An Drumma

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No indication that this fulfils WP:BAND. Mutt Lunker (talk) 14:46, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Ceethekreator (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per GNG. They get non-trivial coverage in Culloden: (Cùil Lodair) published by Oxford University Press.  There song "Sgt. MacKenzie" gets a lot of coverage due to the soundtrack of the film We Were Soldiers and I have left some sources for that on the AFD for that article which I won't repeat here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinningspark (talk • contribs) 16:17 1 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Two sentences. There is no indication they fulfil any of the other notability criteria for bands. I've also responded re Sgt. Mackenzie at that talk page. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:55, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:12, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep passes at least criteria 10 of WP:NMUSIC with their music on two notable films Atlantic306 (talk) 19:12, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * To note, that criterion recommends redirection to the article for the film when this is the song's sole notability. Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:31, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:BADGER, and you can't redirect to two notable films at the same time. SpinningSpark 14:57, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You're a charmer. I'd hope we're all here to find the most suitable resolution to the issue under discussion and I'm pointing out a perfectly pertinent aspect of that criterion. Don't warn me off. The validity of your point about the difficulty of redirecting to two targets should have been quite enough. My point is valid, your response is valid. Away and have a word with yourself; what is your accusation but the badgering of another to shut up? Hardly the way to win someone over to your viewpoint. Mutt Lunker (talk) 15:27, 8 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - Per Atlantic306 FOARP (talk) 19:15, 7 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Withdraw nomination - I am persuaded now to withdraw my nomination for deletion of this article.


 * With the mentions in reliable sources, whether passing or otherwise, of the inclusion of a recording by this band on the soundtrack of two feature films, under criterion 10 of WP:NMUSIC, there is scope in this encyclopedia for mention of that recording. As mentioned, this criterion recommends redirection to the article for the film if this is the only claim to notability but, as has been pointed out, as it appears in two films, that can not be the resolution here.


 * I would therefore suggest that a way forward would be to retain this article on Clann An Drumma but, with the song being the only element of significant notability regarding the group, to focus this article on that song’s inclusion in the films (not the song itself unless notable and reliably sourced material is evident) and remove the current unsourced and non-notable material. Sgt. MacKenzie would be redirected to Clann An Drumma, with the merging only of pertinent and reliably sourced material from the former to the latter. That would entail a considerable trimming of the material currently at the song article, which is largely uncited (possibly from unattributed primary sources) or non-notable. The additional sources noted in the two AFD debates could be added.


 * I note with disappointment yesterday's attempt, above, to stifle debate. Casually sling out ludicrously premature, inappropriate, sledgehammer characterisation like that to anyone who isn’t immediately won over to your viewpoint and you’re more likely to get fellow debaters digging their heels in. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:17, 9 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.