Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clarence Acox, Jr.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. JForget 01:00, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Clarence Acox, Jr.

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My searches show that this musician is only notable locally. Joe Chill (talk) 23:39, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * | As of May 2009 the article had inline citations establishing notability. Will re-paste 'em. As for the above comment ("only notable locally"), is notability subject to regional/worldwide criteria or is notability sufficient per se?--Technopat (talk) 01:31, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It really depends on the editor's opinion. Joe Chill (talk) 01:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 01:56, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, let's see. The article could certainly still use more citations, but just sticking strictly to what is now cited (and skipping a good bit of that):
 * Faculty leader of a high school jazz ensemble that has "won every major competition on the West Coast", made eight European tours, and performed at the Montreux Jazz Festival.
 * The group is also the only band ever to win the First Place Trophy at the Essentially Ellington High School Jazz Band Competition and Festival twice in a row (and a finalist 8 years in a row).
 * Named Educator of the Year by Down Beat magazine in 2001
 * Seattle Metropolitan magazine named him one of the 50 most influential musicians in the history of Seattle music (which when you consider the status of Seattle in American music is no small thing).

Admittedly, the long list of who he has played with is uncited, though I have no reason to doubt it. I would say that just playing with Quincy Jones, Ray Charles, Slide Hampton, and Ernestine Anderson would clearly indicate someone notable enough to belong in Wikipedia; those are just 4 names out of about 15 listed, several others are equally well known. So, while I think citations could be improved, I don't think there is any doubt that he is notable enough to belong here.

Is this a crucial article? No. But I think he clearly makes the cut. Keep.

By the way, the article would be much improved if someone could come up with a list of working musicians who studied under him. I know there are quite a few, but offhand I can't find a citable list. - Jmabel | Talk 06:56, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Citations clearly establish notability.  Edward Vielmetti (talk) 07:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:59, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.