Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clarence Bijl


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Whilst a basic tally of votes would indicate a keep outcome, the requirement of the closer is to consider the strength of the arguments put forward. /there is an overriding need to consider whether GNG is met. Yes, the player technically meets NFOOTY and yes he is still playing, but since his 16 minute fully professional appearance he has left that club and now plays for a much less notable team. There has been considerable effort to show SIGCOV, but in actual fact, all that this has shown is that the player has garnered trivial mentions in sources that go no further than routine match reporting / transfer talk. NFOOTY is a presumption of GNG and so when arguments supposedly supporting GNG in fact show the opposite, the logical conclusion must in this instance be that the the presumption is incorrect. Perhaps he will play at a higher level later in his career. That is purely speculative at this stage and the article can always be restored should this happen. Fenix down (talk) 17:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Clarence Bijl

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An article about a 20-year-old footballer who has played in one professional game, for 16 minutes, for a 2nd-tier league in the 2017–2018 season and now plays in a fourth-tier semi-professional league (per Soccerway/Worldfootball.net). There is one four-paragraph article about his moving from the pro team to the semi-pro team (a primary source: media reporting on current event), and his current team's press release announcing his signing (primary, non-independent source). This article does not appear to meet GNG, and just barely meets NFOOTY with 16 minutes of play in one pro game in a 2nd-tier league. It is WP:TOOSOON for a standalone article about this subject. (Did I mention 16 minutes in one pro game?) Leviv&thinsp;ich 19:14, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Passes WP:NFOOTY.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:33, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - passes WP:NFOOTBALL, and there look to be a number of sources out there. Needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 09:11, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * When I looked, every Google news hit I found was routine game coverage except for the press release and the one four-paragraph primary source article announcing his club transfer (links in our article). Leviv&thinsp;ich 20:13, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:NFOOTY. R96Skinner (talk) 11:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:00, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:FOOTY by playing in a WP:FPL. Smartyllama (talk) 16:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. All the NFOOTY votes above should be ignored, as NFOOTY merely creates a presumption of GNG - however GNG is being challenged here. I went over every single google-news hit on "Clarence Bijl" - there's quite a few - but the vast majority is merely appearance in a list of players at ASWH in rather local sources - which would not be in-depth coverage (mere namedrop). The sole semblance of in-depth coverage I've managed to find is - - without even getting into the question of whether these are RSes for a BLP - even if we assume they are RSes - they fail WP:SIGCOV as they are not independent of the club (merely re-hashing of PR/interview with the club/Bijl), are rather brief, and cover a single event (his signing by the 4th tier ASWH). As such - it is actually rather obvious that WP:SIGCOV is not met, and absent someone coming up with "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" - it is a rather clear delete.Icewhiz (talk) 08:40, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * As another note - considering the lack of SIGCOV from his stint (mostly) om the reserves of a team in a NFOOTY eligible team (leading to a single cap of 16 minutes in a 2nd-tier league) - and his current role in a non-NFOOTY club (ASWH - 4th tier - Derde Divisie) - this is exactly the situation NFOOTY is not supposed to cover - it isn't that we have an expectation that he will play professionally and be covered - as he's in the semi-pros. While he might make the pros - at the moment it is WP:TOOSOON. Icewhiz (talk) 08:45, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:TOOSOON is totally irrelevant here. Bijl already played in a full pro team and meets our professional standard! gidonb (talk) 14:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per prior consensus (see e.g., Articles_for_deletion/Phakamani_Mngadi) a semi-pro footballer who hasn't even played 90 minutes of football in a fully-pro league doesn't actually satisfy WP:FOOTBALL when the article comprehensively fails WP:GNG. All available coverage in secondary sources is routine (generally related to his signing with ASWH) and there is no way this can satisfy the GNG based on what I can find online. Jogurney (talk) 15:16, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 23:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Having played in a professional game makes him notable, in the same way that getting elected to a state legislature makes one notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 00:41, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Except being in state legislature generally lasts more than 16 minutes. We need to have a sense of proportion. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:31, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Although it might require more valid sources, but doesn't look inappropriate. Hence it is better to be kept by adding more related references. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 07:39, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NFOOTY: Players who have played, and managers who have managed in a competitive game between two teams from fully-professional leagues, will generally be regarded as notable. [...] For the purposes of this guideline, played means having appeared in a match either in the starting line-up or coming on as a substitute. In other words, the guideline is clear and the delete opinions are not well rooted in our guidelines. gidonb (talk) 04:45, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * irrelevant argument. Per Notability (sports) (which NFOOTY is a sub-part) - "If the article does meet the criteria set forth below, then it is likely that sufficient sources exist to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." (linking to GNG), "...conversely, the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept. These are merely rules of thumb which some editors choose to keep in mind.... NFOOTY does not trump GNG, it merely creates a presumption that the subject meets GNG - the nomination here asserts that the subject fails GNG.Icewhiz (talk) 09:44, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually yours is the irrelevant argument as Clarence Bijl also meets the WP:GNG. For sportspeople, however, it is customary to also check if they do pass the professional standard. That professional standard is best detailed in WP:NFOOTY and specifically in the part that I quoted. It is quite exceptional for sportspeople to be kept without also passing the professional standard. Not a problem here. gidonb (talk) 10:50, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * absent demonstrating that Bijl "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject by providing such references - WP:GNG is not met. Icewhiz (talk) 11:38, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It is not a problem at all. This is a really weak nomination. That's why 8 say keep and 3 say delete. gidonb (talk) 12:22, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * As all the keeps are asserting NFOOTY and naught else - they should be struck as they do not address the nomination (of failing GNG).Icewhiz (talk) 12:57, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Also wrong. The 8 keep sayers correctly assume that Bijl meets the GNG after the more rigid professional standard was fully met. The 3 delete sayers have the weakest of arguments. Specifically, one argues with the guideline and should be entirely discounted. Classic case of bad forum! The other two and nominator expose an inability to search for valid sources. gidonb (talk) 13:22, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * So far I'm the only one here to present any sources (and I'm arguing to deletion). Absent someone producing sources establishing GNG - he fails GNG. The burden of proof for existence of sources lies on those who claim such sources exists (somewhere) for this semi-pro footballer. Icewhiz (talk) 14:50, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * If you are arguing that he meets GNG, then please post here your WP:THREE examples of WP:SIGCOV. Leviv&thinsp;ich 16:39, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm working on the references in the article. Work in progress. Referencing in the article has the most lasting value. gidonb (talk) 16:44, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * As you can see in the article history I added references to the article before making this nomination. I've done the BEFORE search, in Dutch too, and found, as I said in the nom, "one four-paragraph article about his moving from the pro team to the semi-pro team ... and his current team's press release". The rest was routine coverage, like a one-sentence mention in a game report. I put out the "let's see SIGCOV" challenge above, over a week ago. So far, no SIGCOV. If you do find SIGCOV sufficient to meet GNG, I would withdraw this nomination. But I don't believe it's out there. I don't believe he meets GNG. Leviv&thinsp;ich 17:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The articles in Brabants Dagblad and Dordt Centraal constitute significant coverage. Now since you did overlook both of these, I will be surprised if you withdraw. (I grant you that you looked around a bit; my assumption is based on interaction with others) In any case, these articles plus the professional standard and the overwhelming support for keep is more than sufficient for any reasonable person to close this AfD as keep. gidonb (talk) 18:22, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Here are those two articles, from Barbants Dagblad and Dordt Centraal, in full, with Google translations. I've bolded the mentions of Clarence Bijl.
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! DordtCentraal (Dutch) || DordtCentraal (English Google translation)
 * Twee nieuwe verdedigers voor FC Dordrecht||Two new defenders for FC Dordrecht
 * DORDRECHT-FC Dordrecht heft twee nieuwe spelers aan de selectie voor komend seizoen toegevoegd. De twee verdedigers Clarence Bijl en Julius Bliek zullen op amateurbasis naar de Dordtse Krommedijk komen. ||DORDRECHT-FC Dordrecht has added two new players to the selection for next season. The two defenders Clarence Bijl and Julius Bliek will come to the Dordtse Krommedijk on an amateur basis.
 * De achttienjarige rechtsback Clarence Bijl is afkomstig uit de jeugdopleiding van het Rotterdamse Feyenoord. Deze talentvolle verdediger speelde afgelopen seizoen bijna alle duels voor het A1 team van de club uit Rotterdam Zuid.||The eighteen year old right back Clarence Bijl comes from the youth academy of the Rotterdam Feyenoord. This talented defender played almost all matches for the A1 team of the club from Rotterdam Zuid last season.
 * Julius Bliek maakt de overstap van VV Kloetinge. Bliek werd recentelijk nog uitgeroepen tot Zeeuws voetballer van het jaar. Bliek is een linksbenige en fysiek zeer sterke verdediger.||Julius Bliek makes the switch from VV Kloetinge. Bliek was recently declared the Zeeland footballer of the year. Bliek is a left-footed and physically very strong defender.
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 * Julius Bliek maakt de overstap van VV Kloetinge. Bliek werd recentelijk nog uitgeroepen tot Zeeuws voetballer van het jaar. Bliek is een linksbenige en fysiek zeer sterke verdediger.||Julius Bliek makes the switch from VV Kloetinge. Bliek was recently declared the Zeeland footballer of the year. Bliek is a left-footed and physically very strong defender.
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!Brabants Dagblad (Dutch) || Brabants Dagblad (English Google translation)
 * Royaal verlies RKC stemt tot nadenken||Generous loss RKC gives you thought
 * Het is traditioneel dat RKC Waalwijk en FC Dordrecht elkaar in de oefencampagne treffen. Zaterdagmiddag gebeurde dat in het Riwal Hoogwerkers stadion in Dordrecht. Nog geen week voor de start van de competitie verloor RKC met 4-2.||It is traditional that RKC Waalwijk and FC Dordrecht meet in the practice campaign. On Saturday afternoon it happened in the Riwal Hoogwerkers stadium in Dordrecht. Less than a week before the start of the competition, RKC lost 4-2.
 * RKC Waalwijk gebruikte het negende oefenduel om twee spelers te testen. Vahid Selimovic speelde links in de verdediging. Illies Bruylandts vormde samen met Roy Rudonja de tweemansaanval. Bij RKC ontbrak Roland Bergkamp wegens privé-omstandigheden was ook Nikki Baggerman er niet bij.||RKC Waalwijk used the ninth exhibition game to test two players. Vahid Selimovic played left in the defense. Illies Bruylandts formed the two-man attack with Roy Rudonja. RKC lacked Roland Bergkamp because of private circumstances, Nikki Baggerman was not there.
 * Het nieuwe 5-3-2 systeem van de Waalwijkse club roept een week voor de start van de competitie alleen maar vraagtekens op. RKC kwam er aanvallend nauwelijks aan te pas, terwijl het verdedigend toch erg kwetsbaar bleek. Na achttien minuten profiteerde Terence Groothusen van een dekkingsfout. Hij kon de bal ongehinderd binnen schieten na een aanval over de rechterflank.||The new 5-3-2 system of the Waalwijk club raises questions just a week before the start of the competition. RKC hardly came in at all, while it proved to be very vulnerable. After eighteen minutes, Terence Groothusen benefited from a cover error. He could shoot the ball unhindered after an attack on the right flank.
 * Goed doorjagen van Daan Rienstra leverde RKC een eerste kans op. De middenvelder stuitte echter op doelman Nick Wolters. Daarna duurde het lang voor RKC nog een keer dreigend in de buurt van het Dordtse doel kwam. Een kopbal van Roy Rudonja eindigde in een simpele prooi voor de keeper. De rust leek met 1-0 in te gaan, maar op de valreep sloeg Denis Mahmudov met een prachtige individuele actie toe.||Driving through Daan Rienstra well gave RKC a first chance. The midfielder, however, met goalkeeper Nick Wolters. After that it took a long time for RKC to come threateningly near the goal of Dordt. A header from Roy Rudonja ended in a simple prey for the keeper. The rest seemed to go in 1-0, but at the last minute Denis Mahmudov struck with a beautiful individual action.
 * Uit de lucht||From the sky
 * Na de pauze kwamen Mo Mezghrani en Johan Voskamp voor aanvoerder Jan Lammers en Rudonja in de ploeg. De laatste wissel rendeerde. Een voorzet van Quasten werd door Bruylandts in de voeten van de spits gelegd. Dan is het meestal wel raak.||After the break Mo Mezghrani and Johan Voskamp came in for the captain Jan Lammers and Rudonja. The last bill returned. A cross from Quasten was put in the striker's feet by Bruylandts. Then it is usually hit.
 * Het grootste gedeelte van de tweede helft speelde zich af in de buurt van het doel van RKC. Toch kwam de 3-1 van Clarence Bijl uit de lucht vallen. Die kopte een kwartier voor tijd een voorzet van Mailson Lima Duarte Lopes binnen. Twee minuten later was het opnieuw prijs. Nu werkte Bijl met de voet een voorzet vanaf links binnen.||The majority of the second half took place in the vicinity of RKC's goal. Still, the 3-1 of Clarence Bijl came out of the blue. He headed for a cross from Mailson Lima Duarte Lopes fifteen minutes before time. Two minutes later it was again prize. Now Bijl worked with his foot a cross from the inside.
 * De doelpunten van Bijl hakten erin bij RKC. Selimovic kreeg na een overtreding uit frustratie geel. Niet alleen de proefspelers overtuigden niet. RKC beleefde een zwakke generale. Daar veranderde de late 4-2 van Noel de Graauw niets aan.||The goals of Bijl chopped at RKC. Selimovic got yellow out of frustration after a foul. Not only the test players did not convince. RKC experienced a weak general. The late 4-2 of Noel de Graauw did not change anything.
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 * Editors can decide for themselves whether this is SIGCOV. Leviv&thinsp;ich 18:53, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for translating and formatting! The previous two lines (more intro and title) in the Dordt article are also about the player, i.e. 5 sentences in each article. There is more coverage, of course, but this was very good among what I saw. Along with meeting the professional standard, it is more than sufficient. gidonb (talk) 00:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Although 2 is sufficient, a third good article is by SPN Media. Maybe you can add that one as well? gidonb (talk) 01:17, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure.
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 * Het grootste gedeelte van de tweede helft speelde zich af in de buurt van het doel van RKC. Toch kwam de 3-1 van Clarence Bijl uit de lucht vallen. Die kopte een kwartier voor tijd een voorzet van Mailson Lima Duarte Lopes binnen. Twee minuten later was het opnieuw prijs. Nu werkte Bijl met de voet een voorzet vanaf links binnen.||The majority of the second half took place in the vicinity of RKC's goal. Still, the 3-1 of Clarence Bijl came out of the blue. He headed for a cross from Mailson Lima Duarte Lopes fifteen minutes before time. Two minutes later it was again prize. Now Bijl worked with his foot a cross from the inside.
 * De doelpunten van Bijl hakten erin bij RKC. Selimovic kreeg na een overtreding uit frustratie geel. Niet alleen de proefspelers overtuigden niet. RKC beleefde een zwakke generale. Daar veranderde de late 4-2 van Noel de Graauw niets aan.||The goals of Bijl chopped at RKC. Selimovic got yellow out of frustration after a foul. Not only the test players did not convince. RKC experienced a weak general. The late 4-2 of Noel de Graauw did not change anything.
 * }
 * Editors can decide for themselves whether this is SIGCOV. Leviv&thinsp;ich 18:53, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for translating and formatting! The previous two lines (more intro and title) in the Dordt article are also about the player, i.e. 5 sentences in each article. There is more coverage, of course, but this was very good among what I saw. Along with meeting the professional standard, it is more than sufficient. gidonb (talk) 00:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Although 2 is sufficient, a third good article is by SPN Media. Maybe you can add that one as well? gidonb (talk) 01:17, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure.
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!Krommedijk 360/SPN Media (Dutch) || Krommedijk 360/SPN Media (English Google translation)
 * Clarence Bijl verlaat FC Dordrecht voor streekgenoot||Clarence Bijl leaves FC Dordrecht for a local
 * Clarence Bijl speelt komend seizoen voor ASWH. De negentienjarige verdediger verlaat FC Dordrecht en gaat komend seizoen in de Derde Divisie spelen, waarin de Ambachters elfde werden.||Clarence Bijl will play for ASWH next season. The nineteen-year-old defender leaves FC Dordrecht and will play in the Third Division next season, in which the Craftsmen were eleventh.
 * Bijl kwam een jaar geleden over van de Feyenoord Academy, waarvoor hij tien jaar speelde. De speler kwam bij FC Dordrecht amper tot spelen. Zo speelde hij éénmalig zestien minuten in het eerste en kwam hij tot zeven wedstrijden in Jong FC Dordrecht.||Bijl came over a year ago from the Feyenoord Academy, for which he played ten years. The player hardly played at FC Dordrecht. For example, he played for the first time for sixteen minutes and he played seven matches in Jong FC Dordrecht.
 * 'De TC is uiteraard verheugd dat de multifunctionele Bijl, die onlangs al enkele keren meetrainde, de keuze heeft gemaakt om volgend seizoen op sportpark Schildman te spelen’, zo meldt ASWH op haar clubwebsite.||The TC is of course pleased that the multifunctional Bijl, who recently trained several times, made the choice to play at Schildman sports park next season,' ASWH reports on its club website.
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 * All six sentences are about Bijl so I just bolded my two favorites. Note it's sourced to the club's website. Leviv&thinsp;ich 04:11, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for more work put in! The following is misleading: the entire article is about Bijl, as should the bold be. Choosing just a few bold phrases misleads the reader. The article is NOT sourced to the ASWH website. Only the quote is. That is good journalism. There is very different info in the article than whatever was on the ASWH website. If you were serious before, you would now withdraw your nomination. FOOTY and the GNG were met and our article is better than the Dutch one. Your arguing under various keeps that the article does not meet the GNG does not hold any water and is in stress with WP:BLUDGEON. You now have a chance to prove that you are true to a clear word given before. gidonb (talk) 05:07, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * 'De TC is uiteraard verheugd dat de multifunctionele Bijl, die onlangs al enkele keren meetrainde, de keuze heeft gemaakt om volgend seizoen op sportpark Schildman te spelen’, zo meldt ASWH op haar clubwebsite.||The TC is of course pleased that the multifunctional Bijl, who recently trained several times, made the choice to play at Schildman sports park next season,' ASWH reports on its club website.
 * }
 * All six sentences are about Bijl so I just bolded my two favorites. Note it's sourced to the club's website. Leviv&thinsp;ich 04:11, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for more work put in! The following is misleading: the entire article is about Bijl, as should the bold be. Choosing just a few bold phrases misleads the reader. The article is NOT sourced to the ASWH website. Only the quote is. That is good journalism. There is very different info in the article than whatever was on the ASWH website. If you were serious before, you would now withdraw your nomination. FOOTY and the GNG were met and our article is better than the Dutch one. Your arguing under various keeps that the article does not meet the GNG does not hold any water and is in stress with WP:BLUDGEON. You now have a chance to prove that you are true to a clear word given before. gidonb (talk) 05:07, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Last one. This is the press release from ASWH, on their website, that is explicitly cited by the Krommedijk 360/SPN Media piece translated below (and many others):
 * All four sources translated above have between three and six sentences about Bijl. You can't seriously call that significant coverage. The nom already identifies the most-significant coverage of Bijl, which I added to the article before making this nom. It's this 4-paragraph story about the decline of his career and him not giving up even though he was transferred to 4th-tier ASWH. In this one source, he says (Google Dutch-to-English translations) The result was that Clarence Bijl spent almost a season out of the picture to his great disappointment. and In daily life he works at a tire company in Dordrecht.. By Bijl's own words, he is quoted as saying, about his time at Feyenoord and FC Dordrecht, unfortunately nothing came of it in practice, and I finally participated once in a while as a substitute, and I do not see ASWH as a new step up to professional football, but I do not want to think about that at all. It seems even Bijl has said he is not pursuing a professional career. But if editors here want to call these sources significant, or back an SNG that presumes notability for a player who played in one game for 16 minutes two years ago, I can't stop you folks from !voting "keep per NFOOTY" or suggesting a three-sentence mention is SIGCOV. I can't stop you from lowering our standards like that. I just don't understand how you can say with a straight face that this is an encyclopedia and not a football almanac. There is literally, right now, a sentence, cited, in Clarence Bijl, about how he almost scored a goal in a game, but it was blocked. Yes, this deserves inclusion in an encyclopedia. :-) Leviv&thinsp;ich 14:22, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep There is a difference to a player who has finished his career to a player that's starting out, each footballer needs to be weighed on their own merits. As this one is at the start of this career I give more weight to WP:NFOOTBALL and have some faith that additional events will come to push WP:GNG and this is normally the case. Govvy (talk) 15:33, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Arguing !keep because, though he doesn't meet GNG or have SIGCOV now, he will have SIGCOV in the future, seems contrary to the policy WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL, the essay WP:TOOSOON, and similar consensus. Leviv&thinsp;<span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(45deg);position:relative;bottom:-.57em;">ich 16:39, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * My keep is a weak keep, come back in a few years, if he is 23 and lost to the non-league I would go with delete. However look at Jamie Vardy, this is a footballer who has gone from non-league to premier league. There is always room to return to football league football. Crystal-ball or not, player still passes many interpretation of NFooty. You can't just dismiss a policy because you want too. Govvy (talk) 17:02, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * This particular player has gone from 1st-tier Feyenoord (youth until 2017) to 2nd-tier FC Dordrecht (2017–2018) to semi-pro 4th-tier ASWH (2018–). I don't see how this trajectory indicates he will likely receive SIGCOV soon. NFooty does not trump GNG–it's not more restrictive–and the guideline it's a part of, NSPORTS, specifically says just because a player meets an SNG doesn't mean he must be notable. See the discussion ongoing at NSports talk page. This article is an example where a non-notable player meets NFooty but still isn't notable. That's not ignoring a guideline, that's applying it properly. There is longstanding precedent for articles being deleted even though they meet NFooty (let me know if you want the list of prior AfDs that support this). When the article Jamie Vardy was created, Vardy already had 38 appearances (and 25 goals), and coverage in 3 independent sources. . Met GNG, and didn't just barely pass NFooty, but had 38 pro appearances instead of 1 appearance for 16 minutes. Leviv&thinsp;<span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(45deg);position:relative;bottom:-.57em;">ich 17:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Bijl already has significant coverage, meets FOOTY and meets the GNG. Still, it is reasonable to assume that there will be more coverage as ASWH is continuously covered in the press. He has recently signed another year with the Derde Divisie side. Govvy stands correct at what he points out. With much more playtime vs FC Dordrecht came and will continue to come much more coverage. gidonb (talk) 03:55, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ...and if and when that significant coverage comes and his career develops, then we can write an article about him. You'll never find me voting to !keep because someone will become notable in the future, because it's WP:TOOSOON. Leviv&thinsp;<span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(45deg);position:relative;bottom:-.57em;">ich 14:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Too soon is totally irrelevant here because he meets both the professional standard and the GNG NOW!!! Future coverage is no relevance to significance -Bijl's current meeting of both standards is!- but even then Govvy's analysis makes sense. gidonb (talk) 15:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * We're going around in circles now so I don't think it's productive anymore, but my last thought is that I'm just stunned that anyone could call a three- or six-sentence article SIGCOV that meets GNG. Leviv&thinsp;<span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(45deg);position:relative;bottom:-.57em;">ich 15:40, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


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