Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Claude Desseille


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Scott Mac (Doc) 22:06, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Claude Desseille

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Poorly-sourced BLP of a business person. The only "sources" are foreign language. I was willing to AGF on the sources, until I looked closer at them. The first isn't even accessible for perusal, and the second only mentions the man's last name ONE TIME in it. This does not satisfy the "non-trivial" source requirement for notability. Unit Anode  18:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, or merge into Winterthur Group, of which he is president. Bearian (talk) 19:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Oh Unitanode (edited), why does the word sources appear in quotes? Is it, "Those foreign language people, they don't know nuthin!"  Just because an article mentions the man once, its relevant because it confirmed his position.  But since its in AFD now, I shall determine whether I believe him to notable.  This is not a BLP sourcing issue, as its clear that a sourced article can be maintained on this individual.  I recall I deprodded this one when you prodded a slew of articles in record time (edited) last week.--Milowent (talk) 20:22, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You really need to stop making assumptions as to what I'm thinking. I'm perfectly willing to assume good faith on foreign language sources, but the man's name is only mentioned one time in the one that actually has an article available to peruse. At that point, it makes one wonder whether the sources satisfy the requirement of non-trivial coverage, which is the primary basis of this nomination. You also need to stop referring pejoratively to my use of the PROD tag. I PRODed about 40 articles per day for 4 or 5 days, while also fixing up 20 or so articles per day during that same time. What were you doing to fix the problem during that time, other than calling those who disagreed with you "book burners"?  Unit  Anode  15:39, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Look at my edit history, you'll see i sourced maybe 50 articles.--Milowent (talk) 18:07, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. The two original sources were the same two that show up on this Google News archive search. The fact that a reference is in French or behind a paywall doesn't detract from the subject's notability, and the previews shown by Google News indicate the context in which the name appears. The article was created more than four years ago, and some of the information in it may be out of date, particularly since Winterthur's Belgian operation is now part of AXA. I changed some present tense to past tense. He was also chairman of a newspaper publishing company and chairman of an insurance trade association. - Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions.  – Eastmain (talk • contribs)  20:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  – Eastmain (talk • contribs)  20:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - no reliable source to establish notability. Two of the links are not about the person but relating to businesses he works or worked for, and where he is only briefly mentioned. The third is a press release which cannot be used as a source for notability. Either way, there's no significant coverage, Since this is essentially a stub, it could however be merged into Winterthur Group as Bearian suggested.--137.122.49.102 (talk) 20:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Someone's accomplishments - including building a company - are what make them notable. Coverage of them in the context of their work is as valid a reference as coverage of their life outside work. - Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:22, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The French sources are pretty lightweight and I note that fr:wp and the other European language wikis have omitted this fellow. Jack Merridew 18:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Jack Merridew. The mere absence of an article for this person on fr:wp and others is telling, but the lack of non-trivial coverage from reliable third party publications puts this one over the top.  If better sourcing can be located please do notify me on my talk page.  JBsupreme  ( talk ) 22:44, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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