Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Claudene Christian


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The result was delete. There is consensus that the coverage that exists does not satisfy the criteria necessary to establish notability. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:47, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Claudene Christian

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With the exception of her death, a BIO1E that merits (and has) a brief mention in the article on the Bounty, this is all hyper-local human-interest coverage (oh wow, she was an opening act for a Marie Osmond tour gig?!) that does not pass WP:BIO. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 18:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep - I think this nomination makes two serious mistakes.
 * 1) It misleading asserts that, other than her death when HMS Bounty sank, all the other RS coverage of her was "hyper-local human-interest coverage".  Ms Christian was in a long-running legal dispute over whether the business she started, Cheer-leader dolls, infringed Mattel's intellectual property rights to its highly successful line of Barbie Dolls.  This dispute went on for years, and I think it clearly marks her as an individual who transcends one-event status.
 * 2) Us wikipedia contributors must remember our role.  We are not RS.  Sadly, one sees AFD where a nomination is written as if the nominator's personal opinion that a topic is not notable matters.  No offense to the regulars who make this mistake, but this is a clear lapse from NPOV, and OR.  We are not newspaper editors.  RS, like newspaper editors, make the decision as to whether a topic merits coverage in their publications.  What policy requires of us is to look to what RS decision makers, in our determinations as to what measures up to our inclusion criteria.  Yes, by long-standing convention, we interpret WP:NOT so we give very little coverage, or even no coverage, to pure tabloid fodder, like when paparrazi snap photos of drunken celebrity getting in or out of a limousine, that shows they went out without wearing any panties.  But the coverage of Ms Christian is not tabloid fodder, and I think it was misleading for the nomination to dismiss the extensive substantive coverage of her as trivial "hyper-local human-interest coverage".  Geo Swan (talk) 20:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete the article needs a rewrite. The lede is very confusing; it needs to say "Christian died while sailing on a replica of the original HMS Bounty", or something to that effect, rather than give the long history that it gives. I would agree this is a one-event thing, or maybe 1.15 event thing, with the Mattel lawsuit. If you take away the Bounty death,  you just have an article about someone who was a cheerleader, sorority member and founder of a doll company who happened to sue Mattel.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:26, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect to Bounty (1960 ship). Most of the media coverage appears to be in relation to this event: had she not been involved in that, I don't feel the dispute with Mattel would have warranted her having her own page. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I moved the Bounty info to later in the article. It was so oddly ordered before. Also reworded her tie to Fletcher Christian -- alleged by her as it was. I have not yet found so much as a tree. It's possible she was a collateral descendant, but direct descendant is less likely. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 21:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete when the article scapes the bottom to mention the local newspaper mentioned (as in comprehensive listing of lots of names) her several times as a teenager, this is not a sign of notability but a sign of trying to twist virtual directory style listing into something showing notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:42, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete- failed to meet WP:GNG.---Richie Campbell (talk) 00:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)


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