Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Claudette


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. I think there are several other pages like this which could do with being discussed under a wider audience. Stifle (talk) 08:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Claudette

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Incorrect disambiguation page for a first name where the individuals noted also use last name (contrast with John, where the linked individuals do not use a last name. Note that this variety of usage is specifically prohibited under the disambiguation policy. Bongomatic (talk) 13:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I see your point, but we also have pages such as Jonathan, which also includes people with Jonathan as their first name. Tizio 15:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Falls under WP:OSE, but in this example, not for long. I'm not going on a crusade though. Bongomatic (talk) 16:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It isn't really covered by WP:OSE; we are not talking about two similar topics, we are talking about the same: first names. There is no way to differentiate a first name from another (contrarily to bands, people, websites, etc.) See section "Precedent in usage" in OSE. Tizio 17:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The point of a name disambiguation is that it's a collection of overlapping titles or redirects from alternative titles &mdash; i.e. it is for people who are commonly referred-to solely by that name. It is common practice to refer to people solely by their family names, which is why there are name disambiguations for surnames, such as Bush.  ("Bush vows to stabilise economy", reads one of today's headlines.)  There are people who are known solely by their given name "Jonathan".  A disambiguation here would have to be for people who are known solely by their given name "Claudette" (as, for examples, Kylie and Madonna, are).  None of the entries on this list apparently are. Uncle G (talk) 17:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that this shouldn't be a disambiguation page. It should be a page about a first name. Tizio 17:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Why delete? It's useful as a disambiguation page, so move to Claudette (disambiguation), and if an article about the name is desired, turn the redirect into that article.  Nyttend (talk) 17:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * delete. First names not disambiguated by. And not enough for disambig page: at least 3 articles required. Twri (talk) 18:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep "at least three required"? Not strictly true (desired, yes, required, no), but in any case this had nine, and I've added a handful more - including one to something actually called "Claudette", rather than having it as a first name. Grutness...wha?  00:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Grutness, you're missing the point. Name disambiguation pages are provided for people who have the same name, not the same first name. Bongomatic (talk) 00:57, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I could name dozens of similar dab pages based almost entirely on first names. And before you respond with WP:OSE, I'd suggest you actually read what this essay (yes, it's only an essay, albeit a widely accepted one) actually says. As User:Tizio has already pointed out, WP:OSE, correctly, says that you cannot base the worth of an article against other existing articles in order to say whether an article is worth by dint of the subject's notability - that is, you can't say "X deserved to have an article, since Y has one and is just as notable". In this case, however, this isn't what's being done - a large number of disambiguation pages exist, based on first names. Is this right or wrong? Opinions no doubt vary - there certainly doesn't seem to be wide consensus one way or the other on Wikipedia - but given the large number that exist they seem to be either accepted or at least tolerated by many editors. In any case, as I pointed out, there is now at least one article linked from here which is not for a person, but rather for a song - and the page also links to a disambiguation page for hurricanes called Claudette. As such, even if there were no "people with Claudette as a first name" listed, it would still be marginally viable as a dab page. As it is, there's more than enough here to keep it. Grutness...wha?  08:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and correctly tag as given name instead of disambig. It falls under WikiProject Anthroponymy instead of the disambiguation project. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.