Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cleopatra of Mauretania


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The result was   delete. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  18:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Cleopatra of Mauretania

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This is entirely based on someone's personal website whose credentials can be found here - I don't think this meets our criteria at WP:RS and can find no other evidence of such a person. Dougweller (talk) 03:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC) Delete I see doubts that Cleopatra Selene's daughter was really called Drusilla (in R.E. and P.I.R., both by Stein, I think); but I haven't found any speculation naming a daughter Cleopatra. N p holmes (talk) 12:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 04:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Keep Instead of deleting it because of sourcing problems, why not try and find sources to corroborate it. Anyone who existed 2,000 years ago who is still in human memory is notable and therefore worthy of inclusion. --Genovese12345 (talk) 18:48, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Question Did you read my nomination rationale? I did try to find other sources to corroborate it, and failed. If I could have sourced it I would have sourced it. If you look at my other edits to similar articles yesterday you will see me sourcing them. Dougweller (talk) 21:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Strong Delete While the web site cited is well researched and well reasoned, it represents one author's opinion, and but never itself goes beyond the point of speculation that such a person existed. Further, this is, effectively, a POV fork, as most authors name this daughter of Juba and Cleopatra Selene as Drusilla, and a page exists for her already. Even if such a daughter existed, the sole act of existing is insufficient to merit a Wikipedia page, and given that not a single piece of evidence names her, a page for her under this hypothetical name cannot be justified. That Juba and Cleopatra Selene have been speculated to have had a daughter of his name can be indicated on their pages, but we don't need pages for non-notable genealogical hypotheses. Agricolae (talk) 20:48, 30 May 2009 (UTC) Delete - Agricolae sums it up well. Pure speculation. Kafka Liz (talk) 11:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Appears to be based on speculation. Cleopatra Selene and Juna appear to have had a daughter named Drusilla, but there doesn't seem to be evidence for another. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Could have been? Maybe? No sources.....scrap it. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. I see it's been flagged for rescue. Does anyone know Indiana Jones' phone number? - JeffJonez (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete "could have been a possible" says it all. We can't afford to have unverifiable fantasy mirrored. Drawn Some (talk) 21:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and rewrite to remove all sense of OR per The Encyclopaedia Britannica, Rome and the friendly king, Queen Cleopatra, The Berbers, The lives of Cleopatra and Octavia, Cleopatras, Hellenistic queens, Roman Africa, The Reign of Cleopatra, Ancient coin collecting IV, Vassal-queens and some contemporary women in the Roman, Cleopatra VII, daughter of the Nile, Hellenistic queens, Two studies on women in antiquity, Cleopatra's daughter, the queen of Mauretania, Cleopatra: Ruling in the Shadow of Rome, Scota, Egyptian Queen of Scots, Birds in the ancient world from A to Z, Roman Historical Portraits, Cleopatra: a study in politics and propaganda, Cleopatra and Rome, The Cambridge ancient history, The Cambridge history of Africa, Historical Dictionary of Ancient Egypt, K2, quest of the gods, The divinity of the Roman emperor, and many more found at Google Books which make the geocities article pale... as they indeed state that Antony and Cleo had twin children and Cleo of Mauretania was one of them. This kinship is found, and the relationship of the rulers and their progeny, in the above sources in depth... and more.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wrong Cleopatra You are thinking of Cleopatra Selene II, one of Antony & Cleo's twins indeed. This article is about an alleged daughter of hers (in addition to Drusilla). Dougweller (talk) 07:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 01:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
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