Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clic & Cat


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to Rai Fiction. Michig (talk) 08:33, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Clic & Cat

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Fails WP:GNG. Article has had only one source since its creation.. Electric Burst (Electron firings)(Zaps) 22:15, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. clpo13(talk) 23:16, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. clpo13(talk) 23:16, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. clpo13(talk) 23:16, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge or Redirect to Rai Fiction. This is a tough one. The reference currently in use here, from tvblog.it, may or may not be RS - I can't read Italian. But a Google translate of what seems to be that website's "About" page, taken along with the very use of the word "blog" in the domain name, suggests that probably, it is not. I also managed to stumble across this webpage, which again, I can't entirely discredit, due to language limitations. There appear to be two different websites in play here: Aulamanga and Satyrnet. Google translating the "About" page of Satyrnet suggests that the website is a portal to other websites, Aulamanga being one of them. It may very well be that these are RS, and hopefully someone fluent in Italian can make that determination at some point. But I wouldn't feel comfortable keeping Clic and Cat as a standalone article, solely on this basis. The only other potential reference of note that I could find is this "case study". It actually contains a fairly detailed breakdown of some of the show's production information. No "inside stories", but some facts and figures that could easily be used to get a decent "Production" section off the ground. Here's the problem though - the report focuses on the show's use of a software program called Toonz, and the company behind Toonz appears to have published the report. So while this could mark a quality primary source for fleshing out any potential future article on the series, it can't confer notability.
 * Lots of digging around revealed that Cineteam, one of the production companies behind this series, is actually responsible for an Oscar-nominated short film from back in the 1970s. So it would be great if we could create a Cineteam article, and then mention this series on that page. And maybe some day, that will become possible. But I had no luck in finding any usable refs for the company. As for the other production company, Rai Fiction, I have no idea whether it actually meets WP:GNG either, but the article at least exists. If we need to have a deletion discussion about that article as well, we can, but let's take one step at a time.
 * It's worth noting that "Clic & Cat" is not actually "Clic and Cat", but rather "Clic and Kat". Whoever created this article got the spelling wrong - lol. I've done Google searches for both variations and have only found the above linked articles. It would be nice if someone familiar with Italian sources could evaluate TVblog and Satyrnet, as well as look for other sources that may be hiding away out there. --Jpcase (talk) 14:50, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. I've also discovered that there's a third production studio behind this series; one not mentioned in our article. It's called MatitAnimatA. The case study by Toonz, as well as the Aulamanga / Satyrnet article both mention it. MatitAnimatA's official website has a "News" section, but when I try going there, it's entirely blank. So...maybe it's just aspirational, haha. Someone else should give it a go though, before we write it off entirely, as it could just be a glitch on my end. --Jpcase (talk) 21:27, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * P.P.S. Scanning through the first few pages of Google search results for MatitAnimatA, the only article that appears to provide significant coverage is this, which seems to be an interview with one of the company's founders. Whether the interview is conducted by an RS or not, I have no idea. It took me awhile to even find an "About" section for the website, but this appears to be what we want. If Google translate can be trusted, the website's content is contributed by "experts in their field", which if genuinely true, would mean that the interview more or less meets RS criteria. I also came across a few articles (like these  ), which appear to be from professional publications, but from what I can tell, they're essentially just event listings. Moving on to Google News, there are only three results altogether, but each of them is relevant to the topic. This one, which I think is from an university website, appears to be about an academic panel that someone from MatitAnimatA participated in ; this one appears to simply be about a workshop that the studio was involved with ; and this one appears to be about the studio's contributions to a psychiatric children's hospital.  It would be far beyond the scope of my abilities to create an article for MatitAnimatA, what with the language barrier and all, but if an Italian fluent editor ever takes an interest in this topic, then these refs might be of some use. Without further findings, notability is rather tenuous, but I personally wouldn't challenge the creation of an article for the company - especially if the interview is indeed an RS. --Jpcase (talk) 23:15, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to Rai Fiction as this is unlikely independently notable. SwisterTwister   talk  02:46, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Just checking - Does the "News" section of MatitAnimatA's official website work for you? --Jpcase (talk) 14:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 02:33, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge to Rai Fiction. North America1000 02:26, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


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