Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clicking Bad (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:27, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Clicking Bad
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This got a fair amount of "hey look at this funny breaking bad themed cookie clicker" coverage on gaming sites for a few days in the middle of October, but there is no sense that it has any sort of enduring notability. All content is simply a description of what the cookie clicker elements are. I could see this serving as a redirect with perhaps a short mention in the cookie clicker article, but it doesn't seem very logical for it to stand alone in this form. Yaksar (let's chat) 07:36, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment It seems to have generated a handful of news reports for a few days back in October and then promptly disappeared into obscurity. I would have said delete, but the Indie Statik article is actually a pretty detailed critical commentary on the game. WP:GNG: "Notability is not temporary; once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage." But, "routine news coverage such as press releases, public announcements, [...] and tabloid journalism is not significant coverage." Some of the articles are just "hey look at this thing we found", but some are borderline. This is a really tough call, and I'd like to hear other input before deciding myself. --Odie5533 (talk) 00:06, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Is Indie Statik the kind of source we consider reliably notability-conferring? This sounds sort of mean and dismissive, but from what I can tell it seems to be a small not particularly journalistic game site that gets a couple comments a month on its articles. But regardless, I'm not sure if it alone stands as enough notability for an independent article.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:38, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 03:16, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:16, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment I have left my own comments about this type of game, on the Talk page for Cookie Clicker. Strictly speaking, these articles did pass criteria for notability upon completion.  However, they do not have any demonstrated potential for future expansion beyond stub or start status, so the viability of their continued existence as articles is negated.  The content may be salvaged though.  It was suggested that perhaps there exists a new genre of video game called the "idle game".  I suggested that an article could be written and a category created for that general topic, in which the present contents of Cookie Clicker and Clicking Bad would each become their own section and their articles would be deleted.  I get no search results for "idle game" on Wikipedia and not much instant gratification via google, but that could be a real genre. I don't know if this also includes spectator based games such as IdleRPG, Progress Quest, or "Twitch plays Pokemon".  By traditional gaming standards, these games are all revelry in idle futility. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 23:14, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of an Idle game article. See IGN for a long article about them. But Cookie Clicker has a lot of sustained news reporting. Kotaku discusses the Christmas update, Gamasutra has a lot to say about the game, PCGamer discussed the Christmas update too, and just two months ago Kotaku did another follow up. I definitely think Cookie Clicker is notable enough for its own article, but Clicking Bad is perhaps a good candidate to be swept into a single mention in an Idle game article. --Odie5533 (talk) 23:49, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I definitely agree that making this would be a good idea! However, I think that the Clicking Bad mention, if it has a redirect, would probably make more sense in the Cookie Clicker article, since all of the coverage basically discusses it as a cookie clicker spin off.--Yaksar (let's chat) 01:55, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 23:45, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, buffbills7701 11:30, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete coverage was not significant, nor really about the game. Number of hits (quantity) does not equal significance. --Bejnar (talk) 16:37, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.