Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cliff House Hotel


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The result was merge to The House (restaurant). Barkeep49 (talk) 02:17, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Cliff House Hotel

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NOTTRAVEL, WP:NPLACE. Required to have multiple reliable independent sources to merit and article. Merely containing a Michelin star resturant does not justify an article. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 00:31, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to The House (restaurant). Or possibly delete this one and rename that article to the Cliff House Hotel instead.  The hotel's main notability comes from the restaurant, and pretty much all reliable sources that mention it are actually talking about the restaurant.  However, sources seem to use the name "Cliff House Hotel" to refer both to the restaurant itself, and the hotel as a whole, so I'm not quite sure which title would be the proper one to have an article under.  Regardless, though, we don't need two separate articles to cover the same topic.  Rorshacma (talk) 02:53, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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 * Merge/redirect to The House (restaurant). Per, the two subjects effectively "share" notability. The restaurant perhaps being the most appropriate primary topic/title. Guliolopez (talk) 09:56, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Merger is reasonable but this should remain as the main page because it is more general – the restaurant is just part of the hotel and is comparatively recent (2008) while the hotel goes back to 1932. See also Cliff House Hotel, The Cookbook as an example of preferred usage. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:59, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - Yeah, that was my thinking when I suggested that perhaps the current article on the restaurant could be renamed to "Cliff House Hotel" instead, as it is currently the more complete of the two articles. The current content of this article is basically just linking us to the Restaurant's article anyway, so it would probably be easier to just move the one source here to that article and rename, than it would be to merge all of the info/sources in the other article to here.  Rorshacma (talk) 16:51, 9 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Replace deletion discussion with merge discussion? Bogger (talk) 16:23, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge & redirect to where the Michelin star is. --Lockley (talk) 23:21, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge - merge The House restaurant to Cliff House Hotel. Spleodrach (talk) 16:16, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep It would be reasonable to merge, but I think the better path is to keep the hotel separate from the restaurant. The Michelin Star relates just to the restaurant as I understand, for instance, though they can be given also to hotels.  Often restaurants inside hotels are run completely independently (staff, management and PnL) from the hotel itself.  And the citation for the hotel is indeed notable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Finsterlives38 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, I agree that the one citation being used is significant, but articles generally require multiple reliable sources to pass the WP:GNG, and there really don't seem to be much else out there on the actual hotel portion itself - its notability in sources seems pretty much entirely due to the fact that it hosts the restaurant. Rorshacma (talk) 15:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


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