Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cliff Padgett


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. On the basis of the latest uncontested sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:03, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Cliff Padgett

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Absolutely no sourcing found whatsoever, fails WP:V Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oodles of sources, historic photos, and documentation of his racing motorboat and naval career on Google Books. FloridaArmy (talk) 03:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. It was trivial to find sources for his racing boats in Motorboating, Power Boating, and the Rudder. Anmccaff (talk) 05:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * So trivial that you didn't even add them to the article. Because you clearly believe that saying "I found sources" is the same thing as adding them to the article right? They will just magically add themselves. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 06:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The idea that no sources are available, the explicit basis of your AfD, is disproven with two minutes spent on Google; that is enough tp end the subject here. Anything further belongs on the article, its talk page, or ANI. Anmccaff (talk) 17:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 04:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 04:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. http://www.idaillinois.org/cdm/ref/collection/qpl/id/1865, https://books.google.com/books?id=lcywsU36sEEC&pg=PA33, http://www.whig.com/article/20100416/ARTICLE/304169975, etc.-- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * first link: a photograph, not a source. Second and third links: one sentence mentions. Fails SIGCOV.198.58.168.40 (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Again, finding the source means it automatically adds itself to the article, right? Nothing more has to be done here? It's automatically turned into an FA just because you found that? If you're going to argue notability and dig up sources, then how much harder is it to fucking add them? I see this all the time: people scream their heads off that it's notable, argue that it be kept, but no one ever adds the sources, so 10 years later the article is still an unsourced trainwreck. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Tenpoundhammer what stops you from adding sources to the article? Are you too busy wasting peoples' time at your rotten afd? FloridaArmy (talk) 19:32, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * What's stopping you from adding them? AGain, are you expecting the article to magically turn into an FA overnight just because you said keep? If you're gonna talk the talk, walk the walk. Not that fucking hard. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: I don't know whether some of you have personal conflicts with each other or what, but the rest of us editors also have to read this stuff in order to participate properly, so we'd really appreciate more Civility and less sarcasm and gratuitous obscenity. Thanks. --Closeapple (talk) 03:41, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: The PROD mentioned that it is a possible hoax. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 20:50, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Which, as mentioned repeatedly above, is obviously false to anyone who actually checks for references. Anmccaff (talk) 21:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Repeating this — absolutely NOT A HOAX. Whether he was a notable boat builder and racer or a non-notable boat builder and racer is the question. Carrite (talk) 15:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: As a side note, topic notability is not based upon the state of sourcing in articles. Rather, it is based upon the existence of reliable sources that provide significant coverage. See WP:NEXIST for more information.
 * Delete- there is no in-depth coverage of the subject of this article. The sources that were found do not include more than a sentence each about him.--Rusf10 (talk) 05:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:31, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete It's true that he is mentioned often in a Google books search, however if you look closer, all of the sourcing there is in the form of trivial mentions. I looked for a good amount of time and could not find any sources longer than a single sentence. Non-notable, for lack of in-depth sourcing.198.58.168.40 (talk) 08:28, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ...and, surprise, surprise, an SPA shows up. CU, anyone? Anmccaff (talk) 17:08, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Anmccaff, I think if you take a little more time to actually read my contribs, you will see that I am a genuine well intentioned user like most other editors. While you are at it, you could read WP:AGF, which talks about how you should not assume ill intentions of an editor. Have a lovely day.198.58.168.40 (talk) 19:22, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Genuine well intentioned users seldom have fourteen of their first fifty edits centering around an AfD. Others appear to have noted this as well. Genuinely new users seldom show such a grasp of wiki-cant; someone who discovers templating in their first 100 edits is usually off to a very bad start. Anmccaff (talk) 19:48, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Me again, My IP reset. I count fourteen different articles edited in my first 50 as 198.58.168.40, plus another dozen or so AfD's. Also, I'm not sure you know this, but for someone whose IP resets frequently, there's no "first edit". That's why they are called dynamic IPs. So basically everything you have stated is incorrect. Why make things up? In any case, the "I'm superior to you" attitude is at the heart of why Wikipedia does not attract more new users, as it reflects the battle-hardened cynicism of a whole generation of territorial users. It's a sad attitude. Have a nice day.198.58.169.1 (talk) 00:15, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - I am hampered to some extent by paywalls in the Newspapers.com links, but it does appear that this individual as a former world record holder and successful local racer narrowly meets GNG. Carrite (talk) 15:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:35, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Setting a world record in a significant sport is notable. If that were done today, there'd be oodles of easy-to-find sources, but due to our recency bias older ones like these are harder to find. I'm willing to accept the sources we have as demonstrating he meets GNG.Jacona (talk) 16:18, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


 * As a surviving blood relative of the late Cliff Padgett, I would like to help preserve his legacy. To that end, here are a few other sources that confirm his history:

I have many others and will try to improve the Cliff Padgett Wiki page as time and understanding of the Wiki protocol permits. QuincyBoatMan (talk) 18:19, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - I found a source and added it (October 1920 article in Power Boating magazine).  I used the magazine citation format. Felisse (talk) 23:25, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - article has sources now. Gandalf61 (talk) 14:26, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.