Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clifford Percy Evans


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The result was keep. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 16:55, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Clifford Percy Evans

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This article has been tagged with the issue of notability since July 2009. It does not appear to meet notability guidelines for creative professionals. iComputerSaysNo 13:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Notability is the real concern on this article, I don't think any reliable source may sustain the maintenance of this article on WP. Eduemoni↑talk↓  14:00, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment - I'm still undecided on this one. I should note that doing a "Google test" is unlikely to be accurate with this particular individual because he isn't a contemporary architect and most of his work was done nearly a hundred years ago.  I've seen some blogs and what I'd call "semi-reliable" sources (certainly would be in dispute as reliable sources) that seem to indicate there might be some much more appropriate sources found elsewhere such as architectural journals or some architectural historians who might have made comments about this architect.... but those articles are not found on line.  There is a house which was designed by him near where I live which is on the National Register of Historic Places, at least according to a plaque on the outside of that house.  While again not a reliable source in and of itself, it indicates there may be some real notability here.  I wouldn't completely write this guy off as non-notable without some real investigation first.  Architecture is not something I'm very familiar with, so I'll defer to others with expert knowledge of this particular topic.  --Robert Horning (talk) 07:56, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If worse, comes to worse, the article can be redirected to that place. What is its name?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:26, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The article for which you are suggesting it should be redirected to has not been written yet. I would think that most things on that register is likely notable and and of itself, but my greater point here is that just because you can't find find information about a topic on the internet does not make it non-notable thus ineligible for inclusion into Wikipedia.  The current sources for this particular article came from a collection at the University of Utah, who felt that the work of this architect was notable enough for them to take this architect's work and notes and include them in its "Special Collections" archive.  Typically a university doesn't do that for every citizen in their state or for even every alumni, so that does indicate at least some other level of notability.  --Robert Horning (talk) 17:49, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:20, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

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 * Weak keep - I've had a bit of a look and have managed to come up with a few things - likely the same "half-sources" referred to above:


 * Building Taliesin: Frank Lloyd Wright's Home of Love and Loss by Ron McCrea (Wisconsin Historical Society, 2012) - includes a couple of mentions and a couple of photos. Probably not "significant coverage" but enough to suggest, as far as I'm concerned, that he had a longer-term historical impact.


 * Clifford Percy Evans papers - the ones referred to above.


 * Ashton, Evans, and Brazier architectural blueprints - the biographical note refers to the Evans in question (brother of the Evans cited in those papers) as "prominent Utah architect Clifford Evans". That would certainly suggest, at least, local notability in his own time.


 * Gilmer Park Historic District - I'm not really sure what this is or whether it would be considered a reliable source but it mentions the subject a number of times in a number of contexts.


 * LDS Architecture - obviously a blog, so reliability is questionable, but it does mention him a whole lot, in relation to the LDS building he helped to build.


 * National Register of Historic Places - Belvedere Apartments - about an NRHP building co-designed by the subject. This would seem to be one of a number of NRHP-listed buildings designed by the subject.


 * Mormon Americana: a guide to sources and collections in the United States by David J. Whittaker (BYU Studies, 1995) - looks to be a self-published book or academic paper, but it does discuss (in passing) his work and later efforts by the U of U to preserve document collections, seemingly including the one above.


 * I suppose my take on it is that we're talking about someone who has had some coverage, whose contribution has been considered significant enough for a collection of his papers to be maintained by a university library and who has, from what I can tell, a number of his "works" listed on the National Register of Historic Places. I'm inclined to think such a person might pass criteria number 2 of WP:ANYBIO. Stalwart 111  01:17, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep due to excellent research on notability by Stalwart111. Thanks.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  01:38, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Easy Keep. I've gone through and added two facts and references that I think prove notability. He designed 150 LDS church buildings, and was one of only two apprentices to Wright in Utah, the other being his future business partner, Woolley, who has an article. I think this is an easy keep.  Cdtew  (talk) 04:02, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
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