Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clifford T. Reid(Politician)


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The result was delete. Veinor (talk to me) 03:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Clifford T. Reid(Politician)

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Non-notable former student activist in Ireland, one-term local councillor and unsuccessful candidate in the 2004 European Parliament election.

The article is unreferenced except for a link to Reid's own Bebo page at www.bebo.com/cliffordtreid, so he fails WP:BIO's primary test of substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. As a local councillor and failed Euro candidate he does not have a presumption of notability per WP:BIO, and while the assertion that he gained 10,000 votes in the Euro-elections is true, it looks less impressive when you check the election results and see that this was in fact only 2.36% of the total. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.   — Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. There are several articles which appeared in reliable sources listed at http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Clifford+T.+Reid%22 --Eastmain (talk) 04:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. There are several articles which appeared in reliable sources listed at http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Clifford+T.+Reid%22 --Eastmain (talk) 04:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Google news search reveals coverage in several reliable sources. Vishnava (talk) 04:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.   --  Beloved  Freak  10:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have checked the GoogleNews search linked above, and it does not appear to have established notability, because the requirement is for substantial coverage in reliable sources. Most of the ten hits in that search are passing mentions in reports on the European election, but there are three possible exceptions:
 * The Daily Mirror Story Court case blow for Euro poll hopeful" may be substantial or may be trivial, but it's hard to tell because the commercial archive service reprints only the first line of an article and gives no word-count. However, tabloid newspapers are not a particularly reliable source, and do not usually write in-depth news reports
 * The Irish Times hit turns out to be Clifford's own answers to a set of stock questions. This isn't independent coverage, it's Clifford's own writing, part of a series of responses by candidates, in their own words, to identical questions posed by the Irish Times
 * The one possibly substantial piece of coverage is a 480-word story on report on Clifford's participation in a trip to Antarctica, in the Kildare Nationalist newspaper (circulation only 9,000). This is Clifford's local paper, and just how local is revealed in the final para of the story which urges readers to go along to a meeting in a bar in Athy to help him arise the cost of his participation in the expedition. According to the wikipedia article, Clifford is a graduate in communications, and this story has all the hallmarks of a lightly-reworked press release.
 * WP:BIO's test is that "A politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists". Clifford comes nowhere near that threshold, because there is only one remotely substantial bit of coverage, unrelated to his political ventures.
 * I also notice that the article's creator,, has only three contributions: all related to this article. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - even if references can be found for everything in this article, there's nothing really notable. If there were a large number of articles on his European election campaign, perhaps, but we only have the Mirror one - and a stock series of responses in the Irish Times. Warofdreams talk 15:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep out of sympathy for his, er, hibernian attitude.Red Hurley (talk) 23:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't appear to be notable --Bardcom (talk) 17:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Exactly how does this meet WP:N.  If for some reason it is not deleted, rename to Clifford T. Reid (politician).  Vegaswikian (talk) 02:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:BIO & WP:V. Wishtoremainanon (talk) 17:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom and WP:BIO. There MAY be a case for notability - not for any personal achievement (and certainly not for climbing Kilimanjaro [which any gombeen with 2 grand can do]) - but for the man with the most ill-conceived election posters in any recent elections (which did receive some coverage for their idiocy in associating the subject with the crime rather than the policy) as well as his ... em... "inventive" policy proposals for giving voters a "free lotto ticket to improve turnout". Other than that he totally fails notability. (Winning as he did only 212 votes for his town council seat, and falling well short of quota and losing his deposit for the EU seat.) Guliolopez (talk) 23:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


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