Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clifton Truman Daniel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:27, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Clifton Truman Daniel

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This article does not meet WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:14, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Authors,  and United States of America. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:14, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:46, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:37, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Please keep this page. His connection to Harry Truman goes beyond being his grandson.
 * The subject is very notable by virtue of being the child of a child of a US President, particularly that one.
 * He is the child of 2 very well known and influential individuals, either of whom would qualify him to have a Wikipedia page.
 * He wrote two books, each is about Harry Truman and others connected to him.
 * He has an oral account on the following site about his grandfather: https://themoth.org/stories/clifton-truman-daniel
 * He has knowingly presented himself to the public.
 * According to the wiki page on him "he is Director of Public Relations for Truman College, one of the seven City Colleges of Chicago."
 * He has not attempted to remain out of public attention.
 * Who were the ones who initiated the deletion of this page? And specifically why? I speculate that those actions are enough to keep it.
 * Thank you. 100.36.90.181 (talk) 14:59, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, I was the one who nominated the page for deletion. I can confirm that I have no agenda here other than holding to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, particularly around notability. To your points, please see notability is not inherited. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * For those of us who are history and genealogy buffs, this is vital information. The Wiki bio rules need to be changed to allow whatever info is available on the descendants of Presidents of the U. S. 2600:8804:4000:6E00:FCC5:1CF0:6C98:258A (talk) 15:35, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep, he is an author, former journalist, honorary chairman of the board of a major Harry Truman related institution, and has appeared on television as an advocate of his grandfather's memory. Aside from that, and because of the concerns of IP 100 above, please note that the nominator has been nominating many U.S. presidential relatives and not just this one, seems to be a concerning swath through a major portion of prominent U.S. historical families. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:48, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As with the other US presidential relative where you've voted keep, can you explain what parts of your rationale apply to WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO? This !vote is a assertion of notability(from Wikipedia's arguments to avoid in deletion discussions). Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: In spending about 30 minutes on this, and adding a number of new cites, its clear there's no question of notability.--Milowent • hasspoken  18:28, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep coverage in the article is sufficient to meet the WP:GNG. There is no requirement that relatives of famous people be separately notable for there own accomplishments only that they have sufficient sources about themselves to write a proper article.  That standard is met here.  Eluchil404 (talk) 04:33, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per Milowent and Eluchil404. Passes WP:GNG. Sal2100 (talk) 19:40, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.