Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clogher Cricket Club


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 03:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Clogher Cricket Club

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Fourth Tier Irish cricket club, clearly fails both WP:GNG and WP:CLUB, no claim to significance made in the article. Mtking (talk) 07:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:45, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This page should not be speedy deleted because the article does indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: it says that the club plays in the NCU Senior League, i.e. it is a senior cricket club in Ireland, the highest status of cricket club in Ireland (as opposed, e.g. to junior cricket).
 * WikiProject Cricket has devised notability guidelines. For clubs, while there is no specific guideline for Irish cricket, there is for English cricket. The guideline for English cricket is that any club that belongs to "one of the Bradford Cricket League, the Lancashire League, the Central Lancashire League or one of the ECB Premier Leagues is notable. In other words, clubs belonging to senior provincial leagues are notable. The provincial leagues in Ireland are the equivalent of these leagues in England and, therefore, clubs belonging to those leagues meet the notability guidelines.
 * There is no reason why each senior-league cricket club in Ireland shouldn't have at least a stub. A club may be in the fourth tier this year, but equally may be in the second or first tier in a few years' time. Mooretwin (talk) 22:07, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ... or they may not. WP:CRYSTAL may have some bearing here. If they get to a suitable level then an article may be appropriate. Until then, it is not. - Sitush (talk) 00:33, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Note to closing Administrator : WikiProject Cricket have clarified the guidelines, and Irish Cricket clubs do not meet the English criteria and are notable if they meet the WP:GNG Mtking (talk) 23:25, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Not true. One of the editors here, who is seeking to get the articles removed, changed the guidelines himself. Mooretwin (talk) 22:54, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:25, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Irish cricket club playing at highest club level. --HighKing (talk) 11:46, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You obviously failed to read both the page and nomination, it plays in the FOURTH tier. Mtking (talk) 22:15, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - The club plays at level four of the league, which is well below the standard expected per WP:CRIC guidelines until their peculiar (& unilateral) change by an interested party today. If it should ever play in the Premier section then things might be different. - Sitush (talk) 15:05, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You and your pal must have some serious dislike of Irish cricket to be bothered to go to these lengths with your deletion campaign. Mooretwin (talk) 22:42, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Here you go again with your accusations. What makes you think that MTKing is my pal. I do not think we had any dealings with each other prior to these recent AfDs, we are not tag teaming and we are both approaching the issue on the basis of policy and in the face of what appear to be disingenuous statements. Look, it is simple: if the club is notable then please provide some proof of that notability. Decent newspaper coverage, books etc. From what you say, it should not be too difficult. - Sitush (talk) 13:04, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Mooretwin (talk) 08:22, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, Normally I only get involved in Deletion's when I see an article trying to be deleted that should be kept, but as a member of a English club cricket team who has played some games in Ireland I can say that the claim that this club is of the same standard as there ECB league counterparts, is wishful thinking. I can find nothing significant covering this club, so does not pass WP:GNG.  VER  Tott  10:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you find any "significant" coverage of teams in the Lincolnshire Cricket Board Premier League? Teams in the Lincolnshire League are considered notable under the WP Cricket guidelines, so the same standard should apply here. Mooretwin (talk) 08:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: I'm concerned in seeing some of the same discredited arguments to Keep as in the recent Cork County Cricket Club AfD, with people stoutly arguing that a FOURTH tier club is really a "top-level" club, that there is some bias against Irish cricket or WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS nonsense. The bottom line is that this team doesn't pass the GNG, and the only explanation for the Keep proponents failing to come up with the reliable, third-party sources that would save these articles is that they know there aren't any.    ῲ Ravenswing ῴ  17:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.