Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cloister Inn


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The result was   keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:02, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Cloister Inn

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Not a single independent source cited. Little coverage elsewhere. No evidence of satisfying any of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Distinctly promotional in character. (Note: The article was tagged as unsourced in 2006, and in the intervening 5 years the only "references" that have been added have been two links to the club's own web site.) JamesBWatson (talk) 14:15, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment This comment does not address the notability issue. The article must be stubbed as a possible copyvio from the history page of the Inn's website, included in the Wiki article as a reference. The oldest version of the Inn's history page, via Internet Archive, is from 8 July 2011, and I cannot rule out the Princeton University editors of the Inn's website plagiarizing Wikipedia, rather than Wikipedia being a copyvio of the website, but absent better info we cannot maintain an article which is word-for word the same as the Inn's history on its website. The Wiki article history section was added 11 June, 2008: . The article could be rewritten to give information about the Inn without being a copy of the website, if there are other refs to support notability.Edison (talk) 17:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Satisfies WP:N by significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent publications for either the building or the organization which is centered there. See, an architectural tour guide, which is from the university press but not published by the subject of the article, Cloister Inn. Only a snippet shows up in the search results for "International hotel design,(1990), but the search results implies some coverage: "The Cloister Inn, as it was then known, opened its doors in February 1926. The property immediately gained a reputation ..." It is a setting in the popular novel "The rule of four:" (pp 92, 104, 206). From Google News archive, there was a scandal about serving alcohol to minors (horrors!) which received coverage by the Associated Press in 1988. The NY Times had an article in 1988 specifically about the Cloister Inn serving alcohol to a 19 year old until he "nearly drank himself to death" and how the club was stopping the serving of alcohol. It said the university had no control over policies at the off-campus eating clubs.  The New York Times had a 1990 story about severely intoxicated Princeton undergrads who imbibed at eating clubs, with a paragraph about the Cloister Inn. There was an AP story in 1990 about students getting alcohol poisoning at initiations at the eating clubs, and it mentions why they exist: the school did not(at the time) allow frats and sororities.  In 2007, UPI carried a wire story about the Cloister Inn and other clubs serving alcohol to minors. AP also discussed the eating clubs as being alumni-owned, historic, and an important center of student social life, as well as being threatened with shutdowns for serving alcohol to minors. AP had another 2007 story about this and other clubs accused of providing alcohol illegally. In sum, sources exist to support notability. Besides the sources cited above, there have been some article in the local college paper with in-depth coverage, and also in the Harvard paper. Though at AFD some deprecate college papers as being supportive of notability, they can provide information to flesh out a story. The Inn's own website has some historical information which can be incorporated in a non-copyvio way as well.  An alternative would be to merge body of reliably sourced information to the article Eating clubs at Princeton University. That article at present has no mention of the widely documented problems of serving alcohol to minors, and alcohol poisoning, or the 1958 antisemitism allegations.(see also . Edison (talk) 18:23, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per Edison's impressive research.  Meets GNG.  Clean-up clearly required, but meets our notability requirements.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:15, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep also per Edison's research demonstrating it handily passes the notability criteria, and someone please work the refs in. Dennis Brown (talk) 20:18, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
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