Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CloudZero


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The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:00, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

CloudZero

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Fails WP:NCORP. Sources are funding announcements and lots of passing mentions. ~ A412  talk! 05:02, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Massachusetts. ~  A412  talk! 05:02, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Technology, Internet,  and Software.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  06:26, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: Long on smoke, short on light. A lot of casual mentions, but no significant coverage in reliable sources.  No evidence of this outfit meeting the GNG.   Ravenswing      23:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep not all sources are announcements or funding info or passing mentions. Even some of the announcement have details about the company. In particular, I like these ones TMCNet, AWS.Amazon.com, hostingjounalist, TechRadar. Royal88888 (talk) 22:29, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Let's go one by one.
 * TMCNet -- PR reprint. There's no independent analysis. Compare https://cloud-computing.tmcnet.com/breaking-news/articles/456274-cloudzero-helps-customers-get-most-value-out-cloud.htm and https://www.cloudzero.com/press-releases/20230612/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CCloudZero%20recognizes%20that%20every%20engineering,is%20purpose%2Dbuilt%20for%20engineers
 * AWS -- CloudZero is an AWS partner and customer. The AWS blog is not WP:ORGIND of CloudZero.
 * hostingjournalist -- PR reprint. There's no independent analysis. Compare https://hostingjournalist.com/cloudzero-unveils-analytics-bi-feature-for-optimized-cloud-cost-management/ to https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cloudzero-releases-enhanced-analytics-automating-delivery-of-cloud-cost-intelligence-301864615.html
 * TechRadar -- this one seems good, if on the short side
 * ~ A412  talk! 22:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * TMCNet - I compared to your given PR, with the exception of a quotation nothing is copied.
 * AWS, you may have a point here. I will Strike this one out.
 * hostingjournalist - This is not a reprint and much different. If a journalist or a publication writes an articles based on a Press Release, it is no longer a press release, as we should assume they have done their due diligence and verification.
 * Royal88888 (talk) 23:04, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Excluding the straight quotes (autocollapsed for size):

TMCNET: In 2023, it is projected that worldwide cloud spend will amount to nearly $600 billion, highlighting the magnitude of this expenditure category, according to a Gartner report. Also, the fact that 73% of companies, surveyed by CloudZero, consider cloud costs as a board-level issue further emphasizes the importance and impact of cloud spend on businesses.

Press release: In a world where every business is focused on driving cost savings, CloudZero is addressing one of the largest and most opaque expense buckets for modern organizations — cloud spend — which will reach nearly $600 billion worldwide in 2023. That is why 73% of companies surveyed identify cloud costs as a board-level issue.

TMCNET: CloudZero's ability to provide granular insights for any cloud provider empowers software teams to collaboratively manage cloud spend down to how a specific product feature or customer impacts margin. What this means is that engineering teams can see real-time, hourly data showing the consequences of software development decisions and can proactively optimize costs before waste occurs.

Press release: CloudZero’s unique ability to provide granular insights for any cloud provider empowers software teams to collaboratively manage cloud spend down to how a specific product feature or customer impacts margin. This means engineering teams can see real-time, hourly data showing the consequences of software development decisions and can proactively optimize costs before waste occurs — something no other cost management solution can provide.

TMCNET: CloudZero AnyCost ingests 100% of cloud spend (IaaS, PaaS, SaaS (News - Alert)) in real time, normalizes it in a common data model and presents it in a single pane of glass. This gives every stakeholder the most complete, accurate and granular source of truth.

Press release: CloudZero AnyCost™ ingests 100% of cloud spend (IaaS, PaaS, SaaS) in real time, normalizes it in a common data model, and presents it in a single pane of glass. This gives every stakeholder the most complete, accurate, and granular source of truth.

and so on.

hostingjournalist: CloudZero’s Analytics solution would now make it simpler than ever for CloudZero clients to analyze, share, and act on cost insights from 100% of their expenditure, ranging from the most basic FinOps use cases to the most sophisticated visualizations of unit cost patterns.

Press release: Now, from the simplest FinOps use cases to the most advanced depictions of unit cost trends, Analytics makes it easier than ever for CloudZero customers to view, share, and act on cost insights from 100% of their spend.

hostingjournalist: The CloudZero Standard Dashboard Library is now available to all the company’s clients right out of the box, allowing them to immediately get answers to simple inquiries about things like monthly cost trends, reservation performance, tag coverage, and invoice reconciliation. However, the most distinctive feature of CloudZero Analytics would be its self-service capabilities, which can be utilized to provide in-depth cost information based on the robust and reliable data model of CloudZero.

Press release: All customers now get out-of-the-box access to CloudZero's Standard Dashboard Library, which lets them quickly answer basic questions around topics like monthly cost trends, reservation performance, tag coverage, and invoice reconciliation. But most unique to CloudZero Analytics are its self-service capabilities which can be used to generate deep cost intelligence based on CloudZero's powerful and trusted data model.


 * There's journalism, and then there's this. There's no original opinion, commentary, or analysis in these "articles". Please read the second bullet point of WP:ORGIND. ~ A412  talk! 23:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Certainly, there are similarities, given that certain sections may have originated from press releases. However, once a journalist rewrites the content, it transforms beyond a mere press release. If the use of such articles as citations were restricted, a substantial portion of existing Wikipedia citations would likely be affected. Consider, for instance, when Tesla issues a press release introducing a new model. In the subsequent days, numerous articles emerge, all stemming from the press release but presented as rewrites. It's worth noting that a considerable portion of news articles, including those by journalists, is often derived from press releases. Plus could you point me to the specific Wikipedia guideline that states such articles cannot be used? All I have seen are that press releases and primary sources cannot be used. Maybe there is something I am not aware of? Royal88888 (talk) 06:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I already pointed it to you. It's the second bullet point of WP:ORGIND. At this point, I'm going to let other people comment, because it appears we fundamentally disagree if any meaningful rewriting of the press release was performed in these articles. ~ A412  talk! 06:42, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No, we should NOT assume that an article written based on a press release is the result of due diligence. It means the source is primary, full stop.   Ravenswing      02:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  02:23, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Additional Comment - Check these other articles, which are not based on any announcements Techradar, ebterprisetalk.com, Tech Target, and Infoworld. Royal88888 (talk) 06:17, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - I am the creator of this page. Not sure if I Am allowed to vote, but could not find anything that said I could not. All sources here show significant coverage: Techradar, ebterprisetalk.com, Tech Target, and Infoworld, TMCNet, Hosting Journal. Bikerose (talk) 18:04, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Here is a new article I just found in Business Insider, that has descent info on them 8 companies analysts say 53 billion atlassian could buy 2022 Bikerose (talk) 18:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete - Agree with nomination. MaskedSinger (talk) 07:21, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per poor reliable sources not meeting WP:SIRS and Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies) 2A01:E0A:375:3810:B82B:91C2:DC5C:A05F (talk) 16:42, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. In plain English, this means that references cannot rely *only* on information provided by the company - such as articles that rely entirely on quotations, press releases, announcements, interviews, website information, etc - even when slightly modified. If it isn't *clearly* showing independent content then it fails ORGIND. Here, the references are simply regurgitating company announcements and have no "Independent Content" in the form of independent analysis/fact checking/opinion/etc.  HighKing++ 18:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)


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