Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cloud Side Application


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. I considered userfying, per the author's final request to be allowed to improve the article. But considering their conflict of interest, their apparent lack of understanding of what constitutes acceptable coverage, and their promise earlier in this discussion that they would not edit the article any more, I am not going to userfy it even if requested. --MelanieN (talk) 15:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Cloud Side Application

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Non-notable term with all of 32 unique Google hits, mostly not this particular usage of the term, or this page or this page reflected in the Speedy Deletion Wikia. Nat Gertler (talk) 15:00, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:16, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete, all the third-party coverage the author knew of were two segments on Israeli TV, one of them this (episode of 5 May 2015, time 19:38, in Hebrew; to me the archive seems to go back only to August, but I don't speak Hebrew). That's not the significant coverage we need to establish notability. "Patent pending" indicates it's too soon for a Wikipedia article. Huon (talk) 18:53, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I emailed Huon personal contact details for verifications. Tomorrow I will ask students that are using CSA to write testimonies on this page. --Yoram Bucks (talk) 19:50, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Testimonials as to the usefulness of CSA would be inappropriate; inclusion in Wikipedia is not based upon the quality of the item being discussed. --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:59, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

OK, What I should do? --Yoram Bucks (talk) 20:05, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You may want to read Guide to deletion. The discussion here is apt to hinge on whether CSA is notable technology; our basic guideline to notability should let you know basically what "notability" means in a Wikipedia context. Arguments to keep the article are likely to be more successful if they address the concerns there and, to the extent possibly, are stated in terms of Wikipedia policy. Meanwhile, if you have a personal connection to the technology (if you are, say, an inventor of it or someone who stands to profit from its success, or are directly related to such a person), reviewing our guide on appropriate dealings with conflicts of interest on Wikipedia would also be appropriate. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

OK Thanks, I am the inventor of CSA. I will read the articles very carefully and response. --Yoram Bucks (talk) 21:10, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I read the articles. I don't think CSA has a problem of notability; I just need a fair change to present the evidences. I recommend it will be verified by Israeli related editor that knows the organizations here.

Regarding the Conflict of interest (COI) I admit I didn't think about it but after reading I perfectly understand and agree with the issue. I suggest that I will not edit the article any more, I will ask someone from Bar-Ilan university to take control without payment, and I also promise to contribute from of my knowledge soon and write new articles without COI. --Yoram Bucks (talk) 21:48, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. I cannot find any significant coverage of this technology either. Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 12:06, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry about that; I also had difficulties finding the Item. Chanel 10 says that they have a problem with their archive and it will take at least two days before old programs can be retrieved again.

Can I email you personal contact details of people from Bar-Ilan University and other organizations that are heavily using CSA for development? They gave me their permission and are willing to testify. (--Yoram Bucks (talk) 14:22, 24 November 2015 (UTC))
 * Delete as I see nothing better yet but feel free to restart when better. SwisterTwister   talk  06:14, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Can you appoint an Israeli related editor for verifying CSA notability? (--Yoram Bucks (talk) 05:44, 26 November 2015 (UTC))


 * Keep I visited the campus in Bar-Ilan talked with a tutor and students, CSA is the most popular tool their for software development. (Kutiteli (talk) 08:50, 27 November 2015 (UTC))
 * That would be personal testimonials as to the quality of the tech, which (as said before) really do not count toward Wikipedia notability guidelines. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:29, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * It isn't a testimony and it has nothing to do with quality. The writer is a retired IBM employee. He has no interest besides the willing to help. He didn’t know CSA before. He voluntarily agreed to be an editor here and verify CSA notability. (--Yoram Bucks (talk) 15:01, 27 November 2015 (UTC))
 * Yes, and he is reporting the personal testimonies of the students. This is not media coverage, this is not sign of widespread influence, and it's not verifiable. Whoever closes this discussion is going to be looking not at the count of keep-vs-delete votes, but at how the arguments fit Wikipedia guidelines. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:34, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * It is not the only place where CSA got reliable third party recognition and it is verifiable - just appoint any other Israeli related editor. CSA has much more notability then only media coverage that can be bought through PR. (--Yoram Bucks (talk) 16:02, 27 November 2015 (UTC))

New Update – verifiable third party recognition: after acknowledging CSA contribution to Android community Google has agreed to give a sponsorship and to host a professional event about CSA on its TLV Campus. The event is listed in their web site at https://www.campus.co/tel-aviv/en/events on 11/30 12:00. The luxurious place together with a package of other beneficial tools is given by Google free of charge. (--Yoram Bucks (talk) 19:21, 27 November 2015 (UTC))
 * What the article actually seriously needs is in-depth third-party sources overall such as news and magazine which solidly suggest notability. SwisterTwister   talk  19:38, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand that, but don't you think that Google, Bar-Ilan University and others did a real in-depth check before relying on that tech. For me it is better proof then a media article that can be bought through PR Company. The different is that journalists don't leave with the consequences. (--Yoram Bucks (talk) 20:09, 27 November 2015 (UTC))


 * Delete per nom -- ℕ  ℱ  19:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Not an understandable argument? (--Yoram Bucks (talk) 20:09, 27 November 2015 (UTC))
 * "Per nom" = "Due to the reasons explained in the nomination", i.e.,this user is agreeing with my initial entry into the discussion. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:16, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * That would be a voting which really do not count, please note that this is not a majority vote, but instead a discussion among Wikipedia contributors. However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. (--Yoram Bucks (talk) 20:30, 27 November 2015 (UTC))


 * Keep. After serious verification there is no doubt in my mind, CSA is notable. I am gathering the facts now and will come soon with the History section. (Kutiteli (talk) 07:07, 30 November 2015 (UTC)) — Kutiteli (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep CSA is popular among participants at Google Campus-TLV for its capabilities and the strong integration with Android. (Martamo22 (talk) 17:54, 30 November 2015 (UTC)) — Martamo22 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * And that addresses Wikipedia's general notability guidelines how? --Nat Gertler (talk) 18:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Significant coverage – two hours event syllabus. And formal site at: http://documentation.tripleit.com/, Reliable and Independent sources: Google (Martamo22 (talk) 18:46, 30 November 2015 (UTC))
 * A two-hour talk on one location that is supposedly happening today is not significant, and as I presume that one of the developers of it will be speaking, not independent. A website for the company selling "CSA Studio", not independent. Google is not cited as actually saying anything about this. --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:09, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * With the words "supposedly" and "presume" you can argue against or in favor of anything (Yoram Bucks (talk) 19:35, 30 November 2015 (UTC))
 * I'm not going to make believe that everything that is scheduled to happen happens, nor pretend that a listing for the presentation that contains a link to the corporate website is independent of the corporation should be presumed to be independent. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:01, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The facts are: The event held today with more then hundred people in the audience. The lecturer was an independent former Bar-Ilan student; it is collaboration with Google that includes also implementing the tech in Android.


 * Delete: There is nothing which I can find which is reliable enough to establish notability in the Wikipedia sense. All the keep votes, which seem to be canvassed votes, have all been i like it votes and have done nothing to address the actual issues of meeting WP:GNG or WP:SOFTWARE. Before you respond to this or vote you should look through the links in my statement and ensure you understand them before you try to convince me I'm wrong.McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 20:03, 30 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep: I wasn't aware about "WikiProject Softeare", after reading I'm willing to take the challenge and to edit the article according the conventions. (Yoram Bucks (talk) 20:40, 30 November 2015 (UTC))


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