Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cloudkicker (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Overall consensus is for the article to be retained. North America1000 08:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Cloudkicker
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Article was deleted long back based on Articles for deletion/Cloudkicker. Looks like a case of WP:MYSPACEBAND ~Amkgp ✉  11:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. ~Amkgp  ✉  11:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:09, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Artist is a Bandcamp best-seller, toured with two notable bands, is regularly covered in music media like Rolling Stone, and all of this is sourced. // Gargaj (talk) 19:31, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Gargaj is the creator/author of the page. Views may be biased and non-neutral. Invite and request for an independent review. Thank you.~Amkgp  ✉  13:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

*Delete    as  it fails in #2, #3, #8, #10, #11 and #12 as per WP:BAND ~Amkgp  ✉  02:55,
 * Delete – Cloudkicker is immensely popular in the underground metal scene, but his media coverage even since the last deletion nomination in 2013 has not been able crack through the blogosphere into the mainstream to establish Wikipedia notability per WP:BAND or WP:GNG. I disagree with the nom's notion that this is some no-name MySpace band. This is a well established artist who just doesn't have the backing of a label or agent to get his name out there in larger publications, nor does he seem to have the desire to. Fezmar9 (talk) 20:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I disagree with that notion; his tour was extensively covered and his music got released through both Century Media and Blood Music. Even if he doesn't seek out publicity he gets it, which in itself is the notability. // Gargaj (talk) 12:28, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with Fezmar9, that it still needs to establish notability as per WP:BAND or WP:GNG ~Amkgp ✉  13:33, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Checks #1 #4 and #5 of WP:BAND. // Gargaj (talk) 17:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - Definitely more than a Myspace band. I see some Columbus media coverage.  Consequence of Sound.  Written about in a journal that is published through Springer, for whatever that is worth. Caro7200 (talk) 21:59, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A band only has to pass one of the criteria of WP:NMUSIC not all of them Atlantic306 (talk) 00:18, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:BAND specifies they need to meet "at least one of the following criteria". You just argued to keep. // Gargaj (talk) 17:20, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, the nominator is not allowed to vote again. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 21:06, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am removing my vote as I feel It has gained notability with time as pointed by my fellow authors and reviewers with proofs. I also like to mention that I was not in bad faith and this was indeed a mistake which I accepted after the person showed me the concerned policy. Thank you everyone for participating. ~Amkgp ✉  06:39, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep as has coverage in multiple reliable sources such as Rolling Stone, Consequence of Sound, Ultimate Guitar and Metal Sucks all already in the article. These sources are defined as reliable by WikiProject Music as shown at WikiProject Albums/Sources, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , For your kind information Wikipedia or it's sister projects are not reliable source as per WP:NOTSOURCE ~Amkgp ✉  03:03, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Atlantic306's source investigation and nominator acknowledging it passes WP:BAND. Mbdfar (talk) 01:44, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , For your kind information Wikipedia or it's sister projects are not reliable source as per WP:NOTSOURCE ~Amkgp ✉  03:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , are you insinuating that Rolling Stone, Consequence of Sound, Ultimate Guitar and Metal Sucks are sister projects of Wikipedia? Mbdfar (talk) 03:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , I am speaking of the WikiProject Albums only. Don't manipulate statements and do false blaming. ~Amkgp ✉  03:19, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * My friend, I don't appreciate those accusations, I was confused by your imprecise wording. Perhaps it would benefit you to reread Atlantic306's statement to understand why he linked to WikiProject Albums/Sources. Mbdfar (talk) 03:29, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Amkgp has made one of the stranger accusations I have seen in many years at Wikipedia. Nobody used WikiProject Albums as a source to determine the notability of Cloudkicker. It is a project referenced by Atlantic306 in which the sources found in the article and in this debate were found to be reliable by a large group of Wikipedia volunteers. I will assume good faith, but Amkgp's accusation is a knee-jerk reaction at best and poorly-considered bludgeoning at worst. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 22:46, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The above accusation about WP:BAND is equally as strange, and the since-removed reply makes me have doubts about good faith. // Gargaj (talk) 15:13, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with, I doubt good faith as well. Shortly after Amkgp's accusation, they reported me for vandalizing my own talk page (?). This looks like a blatant attempt to either discredit me or prevent me from commenting further. To me, it seems they are only interested in winning arguments and will disregard policy to do so. Mbdfar (talk) 16:44, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry you guys had to put up with that junk. As opposed to my comment yesterday, I am no longer assuming good faith and will definitely state that Amkgp is inappropriately bludgeoning this process. Also, that person invited me and several others to review some recent AfDs (see the top of this page). I have no idea why I was selected; it's possibly because I simply voted on some other recent AfDs. That is possibly inappropriate canvassing as well, and Amgkp may have been expecting all the invited people to agree with his/her stance. Surprise! ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 21:06, 19 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Good coverage from several reliable sources. SK2242 (talk) 13:22, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article was legitimately deleted in 2013, but things can change in seven years. In the meantime Cloudkicker has achieved some significant coverage in reliable sources in the music media, as listed by the voters above. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 22:49, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


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