Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Club 420


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to 420 (dinghy). Spartaz Humbug! 17:08, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Club 420

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This mostly unsourced one-paragraph article would make more sense as a section in the article for 420_(dinghy). The two boats are not sufficiently dissimilar to warrant a separate article. Merging would make the most sense. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 15:08, 11 January 2019 (UTC) Mr. Swordfish


 * Merge: As I outlined above, the Club 420 and the International 420 are basically the same boat. The club version is heavier (i.e. more durable for club usage) and has a different mast.  Some of the running rigging may be different (i.e. simpler on the club version), but no more than the variations you would see among boats of the same class. Support merging into 420_(dinghy).  Mr. Swordfish (talk) 15:16, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Was I the only person who expected "Club 420" to be about something different? FOARP (talk) 15:22, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The reason for deletion are the reasons for creation ironically. The Club 420 is NOT a 420 the club 420 shouldn't really use the 420 logo, the club 420 is NOT international it bearly exist out of north America where there is also I420 association, they have different administration and champions. It the fact the product looks very similar it needs seperate page as it makes it clear. interestingly no one has expanded the club 420 page with north American champions etc. It does need editing but it is important not to imply by having it on the same page that it is a linked product in any way User yachty4000 10:54 12 January 2019


 * The C420 is very much a "linked product" to the I420. When US manufacturer Vanguard Sailboats started building the I420 they offered a sturdier, simplified version for club usage, the C420. They did the same thing with the 470 (although the club 470 ceased production over 20 years ago). It's a variant, not a separate design.


 * I understand that you hold the opinion that the C420 is not a "real" 420, and that it shouldn't use the logo, but that's only opinion. While it is true that the C420 is mainly a North American phenomena, I don't see how that's relevant. Agree that there are different class associations and different championships, and several other differences. These differences can be clearly explained in one article rather than two.


 * When I edit Wikipedia, I try to bear in mind that the vast majority of readers know little or nothing about the subject and strive to present a clear and concise introduction for the uninitiated. FOARP's take is probably fairly typical. "A 420 is a sailboat?" The I420 article clearly states this in the first sentence. The C420 page sends the user on a snipe hunt with "The Club 420 is a derivative of the International 420 that is popular internationally." and you have to click on the link to find out what an International 420 might be. Granted that can be fixed with a simple edit, but for the typical user learning that the 420 is a small sailboat that comes in two variants is sufficient. Hair-splitting by editors very close to the subject matter does not serve the general audience.


 * I don't know that there's a lot to be said about the C420, which may explain why the article is still a one-paragrapher after seven years. That indicates to me that it doesn't merit a separate article. If enough material gets added to justify a branch, then we can address that at the time. For now, let's just merge the two. We can always add material to the merged article expanding on the differences between the two classes and that may be more illuminating to the casual user than separate articles. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 19:23, 16 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge: After more than 7 years this page has developed into very little. It should be merged with the article on the International 420. Dolphin ( t ) 10:56, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge onto "420 (dinghy)". Not enough out there to support independent notability or independent encyclopaedic interest. -The Gnome (talk) 09:34, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to 420 (dinghy). -- RoySmith (talk) 16:58, 19 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.