Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Club Drive (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. czar 04:43, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Club Drive
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This is one of a number of articles which were brought to AfD by a single editor back in January 2010 and closed as keep. The editor was subsequently blocked from deletion proposals and nominations on the grounds that he was flooding the community with more of them than they could process. In light of that, and the fact that nearly all of the "keep" votes in these AfDs were clearly copy-and-pasted across all of this editor's nominations (often with generic rationales like "notability easily established here"), I suspect that many if not most of these articles were voted as "keep" simply to end the flood of AfDs. Seven years have now gone by and this article is still a stub consisting solely of original research and a handful of basic factoids like platform and year of release, with no sources and no substantiated claim to notability (editors already tried, and failed, to establish the "considered one of the worst Jaguar games" thing with reliable sources at List of video games notable for negative reception), so I think it's due to be reconsidered for deletion.--Martin IIIa (talk) 12:41, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Notwithstanding the 2010 nomination issues, nothing here is an issue besides the usual WP:SOFIXIT issues of article expansion. Known game on known console. WP:N is met and previous nom was all keep.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 14:57, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
 * If by "known", you mean "Known to exist", I refer you to WP: ITEXISTS. On the other hand, if you mean "well-known", I can only conclude you have Club Drive mixed up with some other game; the Jaguar is established to have sold only 125,000 units during its lifetime, and Club Drive was one of its weakest sellers (see sales spreadsheet here for example). And even ignoring the issues I brought up, "It was decided to keep this article before" is an invalid argument. If decisions made at AfD were meant to be held in perpetuity, Wikipedia would not have a procedure for nominating articles for deletion a second time.--Martin IIIa (talk) 13:37, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Martin IIIa (talk) 21:03, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep as passing WP:GNG with multiple reliable independent in-depth (reviews) sources from contemporary magazines, as listed here. The article hasn't been improved or sourced since the previous AfD, but that's not really a reason to delete when sourcing exists. We can trim the unsourced claims to a stub. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 19:22, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


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