Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Club Peugeot UK


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The result was Delete. Fram (talk) 14:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Club Peugeot UK

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Does not meet notability guidelines, not to mention nothing has been addressed since May 2007. Moosato Cowabata (talk) 15:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep: WP:ORG says: "Organizations are usually notable if the scope of activities are national or international in scale and information can be verified by sources that are reliable and independent of the organization." - this is a national organisation - the only issue is whether there is verifiable sources that they are a national organisation. As the article says, the club has official support from the Peugeot UK company - so there is no doubt that they are sufficiently notable. The problem here is only that this notability has not been backed up by a reference within the article.  IMHO, we should add a  tag - not delete the article for want of a single reference. SteveBaker (talk) 16:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: As above, plus I have know of the club. Willirennen (talk) 17:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * My reason for removing my nomination is, I had been thinking, if this was to be kept, will this be an invitation for all national clubs to have their own articles here and will this mean I will be entitled to create an article of any national car club, no matter how small they are, also personally, I don't think internet clubs are entitled to have an article here as they are not really clubs, they are simply forums, also those with their own racing series recognised by a national motorsport governing body can have an article here (AMOC), also long established clubs and large sized clubs that is big enough to run as an independent business can be entitled. Willirennen (talk) 17:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.   —Willirennen (talk) 17:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Steve, seriousness here please. Every Peugeot dealer accross the British Isles and beyond has official support from the company. This might set a club apart from other enthusiast organizations, but doesn't assert notability. There are no reliable external sources asserting the club's notability - repeated references in press beyond "243857th diannual gathering of owners of Pug 205s and vehicles resembling them" would be, but the article doesn't provide any. If the press would go like "The Club Peugeot UK, widely regarded as..." or run long reports on the club (a long article just MENTIONING the club doesn't count), I would say it is notable. Regards, PrinceGloria (talk) 22:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - this appears to be a national club in the UK for Peugot enthusiasts. This appears to have adequatate notability.  The particle is a poor one, but that is a reason for improving it not deleting it.  If this were the X-town Peugot Club, my view would be different.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please acquaint yourself with WP:ORG to find out what contitutes notability in the Wikipedia sense. PrinceGloria (talk) 18:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. To quote Steve (but adding my own bold text) "Organizations are usually notable if the scope of activities are national or international in scale and information can be verified by sources that are reliable and independent of the organization." Meets the first, fails the second. My own owners' club is international in scale (it covers the UK, Australia and NZ), and has been covered in external sources (i.e. enthusiast mags have mentioned us). We also have official manufacturer approval—but all that took was an e-mail to their PR department. Fail to assert notability, and I can find no evidence that there's anything to assert. --DeLarge (talk) 20:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I disagree with Steve that the only sourcing required would be verification that this is, in fact, a national organization. There's almost no independent, non-directory sources available (and only 54 unique Google hits for "Club Peugeot UK") to indicate notability, whether membership is available across the Kingdom or not. The motorbase link is trivial from a directory that lists 16 pages worth of auto clubs--779 total. Without independent sources, this article is nothing more than repetition of claims on the club's website.This membership info .pdf can provide a little more content if the article survives... &mdash; Scientizzle 23:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


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