Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coal in Europe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Spartaz Humbug! 06:49, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Coal in Europe

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Personal essay with a highly specific point of view. Essentially a content fork of Coal for the purposes of pushing an agenda. Prod contested, so bringing here for discussion. Sparthorse (talk) 18:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:37, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:37, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. The topic seems like it ought to be notable. After all, the first institution of what eventually became the European Union was the European Coal and Steel Community. Perhaps a rewrite is needed. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that the topic is probably notable, though whether there is enough to justify a separate article from Coal is perhaps debatable. However, I still believe the current incarnation has too much original research and the best approach would be to delete this as inherently a particular point of view on the subject and start afresh if there is a properly sourced, neutral article to be written. I don't think we can get there from here. Sparthorse (talk) 12:20, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Pro. In my opinion this article deserves place, since there are other equal summary articles, like Renewable energy in the European Union. Watti Renew (talk) 15:34, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Coal is the largest source of carbon dioxide emissions in the world. According to IEA Coal Information (2007) world production and use of coal have increased considerably in recent years. According to James Hansen the single most important action needed to tackle the climate crisis is to reduce CO2 emissions from coal. ref.The True Cost of Coal 27.11.2008 pages 66-69 Watti Renew (talk) 15:20, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * comment - the article, if kept, should not be dominated by global warming issues. I'm concerned that it is, and the creator, above, is clearly most interested in that. So sympathetic to deletion William M. Connolley (talk) 17:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Notable topic, but strange article. Kemerovo and Kuzbass are in Asian part of Russia, not in Europe. And there is too much negative focus against the industry, with what looks like WP:UNDUE in some places. So my vote would be delete unless the major issues with the article are fixed. We need this fork from Coal, but not a POV fork. Grey Hood   Talk  17:48, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've been trying to trim the article down and make it less POV, and I hope I've made progress so far. It seem needs work, but I hope that people will consider the progress made when deciding whether or not to delete this article. I think that there is hope for it, even though it could still use work.--Slon02 (talk) 05:33, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the article has been improved, thank you. Change my vote to keep. Grey Hood   Talk  14:09, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:33, 25 November 2011 (UTC)




 * Keep - Absolutely an encyclopedic concept. Good information here as well. Fix POV concerns through the normal editing process. Per the above, Kemerovo/Kuzbas are indeed part of Asian Russia, so some tweaking of the title might be in order in the rather likely event that this closes a keep. Carrite (talk) 02:48, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - A valid, encyclopedic topic that is covered by reliable sources and academia. Northamerica1000 (talk) 05:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Looks like an artificial topic (the intersection of coal and Europe, i.e. a material and a continent)/ fork. Most of it is anti-coal editorial, has miniscule content in areas other than that. By it's title (combining the name of a continent and a material), it would be prone to being a synthesis/soapbox/coatrack/POV magnet because nobody could  say specifically what it is and isn't about. North8000 (talk) 13:58, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Obviously encyclopedic topic. Any perceived problems should be discussed on the talk page, and handled through normal editing practices.  Click the Google news archive search link at the top of the AFD and you can scan through the results and find places talking about the coal in Europe.   D r e a m Focus  20:20, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as improved. -- ♫GoP♫ T C N 14:17, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep This is an improved and documented article. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:31, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.