Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coble Family


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Personal tragedy does not equate to notability by our standards, and consensus indicates no reason for an exception. My sympathies to the family. Drmies (talk) 19:34, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Coble Family

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Wikipedia is not a memorial. Newly created article about three children who died in a car accident. Extremely tragic and touching, but nothing that sets these children apart from thousands of others who die in car accidents, except for the fact that their parents have created a private charitable foundation in their memory. Public attention to the case has otherwise apparently been restricted to a few local media. WP:PROD tag was removed by page creator without a comment. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:35, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Tragic, but not encyclopedic. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:08, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per User:Future Perfect at Sunrise. Fails WP:NOTMEMORIAL, but I'll agree with everyone, touching story. --Michaelzeng7 (talk - contribs) 13:51, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, no notability demonstrated.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:52, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete A tragedy which as resulted in some good, but the family is not notable for anything but the tragic event, which is not sufficient for inclusion.  Acroterion   (talk)   14:44, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:42, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

 Without going into long descriptive details of why this should be kept, I'll link a list of information which happened after the accident which is notable:
 * Delete per User:Future Perfect at Sunrise. I believe Coble Kids Foundation could become non-redlinked if it gains some notability and attention. - UnbelievableError (talk) 04:18, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Full Disclosure:
 * I am the father of the three children mentioned in this accident.
 * I have no idea who created this original Wiki page on our story. I stumbled over it from a weekly Google search with my name.
 * I am willing to update the article with more information if the topic is kept. The original author did write part of our story, but not the entire story.  Maybe the remaining information can be considered for potential KEEP status.  Note: this is my first Wiki post so forgive any mistakes.  While I'm a software engineer by trade I haven't edited many Wiki's to date.
 * Around 6 months after the accident, Lori (my wife) got pregnant with triplets which were two girls and a boy, the same sex's we lost in the accident. This story ran all over the world and we also did a Today show interview talking about it.
 * The triplets were born healthy on April 30th 2008. This again ran all over the world.
 * 5 weeks after birth, one of the triplets Ashley Coble nearly died from Group-B Strep, in the same PICU where we stopped life support on Kyle Coble slightly over a year earlier. I have no reference for this because we kept it out of the media.
 * We entered into a very public court case against the state of california for a wrongful death suit. While the case itself could constitute an entire book, ultimately the case was lost and we were ordered to pay $291,534.04 to the state of california.
 * On October 25th 2010 Lori, Myself, and the triplets shot the Oprah Winfrey Show. OCRegister ref Oprah Website ref CNN YouTube ref with Oprah Video
 * The Oprah taping ran all over the world for at least 18+ months.
 * The Coble Kids Foundation is a 501(c)(3) non profit organization that raises money for new books and toys which are donated to the Children's Hospital of Orange County to be given to sick kids. This is the hospital where:  Katie Coble was born, Kyle and Katie coble were taken from the accident and subsequently died., The  triplets were born, and Ashley coble's life was saved even after the group of doctors told us she wasn't going to make it.   --ChrisCoble (talk) 04:05, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Absolutely tragic for the family, but a fatal car accident is really only notable where it happened and then only for a week at most.  No offense to the family, but this kind of thing truly does happen every day. Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:47, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep I am the creator of this article. This is not the everyday car crash tragedy. This is one that gain attention all over the world. It even caught the attention of Oprah, as Chris Coble has stated above. This article is NOT in anyway intended to be a memorial, but a place for someone to get more information on the tragedy. It is a very 'popular' story even 5 years later. I am honored that Chris himself has opted to keep the article, as I think this is a very special case. This article does need some editing, but not to be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SomerBird (talk • contribs) 00:29, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Again, I am sorry for your loss and for the family's tragedy, but Oprah is not the news, nor is she a source for anything, other than possibly her book list. Car accidents are simply not noteworthy unless they happen to you or someone you know.  The fact that someone appeared on the Oprah show is not really notable.  Oprah picked the stories she wanted to do. No one edited or reviewed her interviews and they were undoubtedly done to create ratings, not knowledge.  Can't you step outside your own tragedy enough to see that?  Fatal car accidents involving children and lawsuits DO happen every day.  The only difference with the one under discussion here is that it happened to some of the people discussing it.  Sorry to be so blunt, but the only people voting to keep are connected to the article and really haven't offered any argument other than they think it should be kept. Before this gets any more painful for the family, someone should close this with a delete so the family can move on with something at least. Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:50, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply I do understand your point and appreciate you being honest/blunt. I do agree car accidents, tragedies, and lawsuits happen all the time and a pretty safe blanket statement can be made that they are not worthy of Wiki.  Totally agree.  Many people all over the world were impacted by this story though, especially the birth of the triplets.  I spent 5 years reading emails from everywhere, often in languages I couldn't read.  Does this make it Wiki worthy?  Maybe not, but it at least approaches the potential of being worthy.  I'm personally fine no matter what happens, but I do disagree with the statement that this was a small, local, story.  --ChrisCoble (talk) 00:10, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: p  b  p  18:25, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
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