Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cody Carrera


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Guerillero Parlez Moi 21:13, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Cody Carrera

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Fails WP:NMUSIC, and WP:NACTOR searched for more information about this as per WP:BEFORE. In the news he attended a play and had his photo taken, was not the focus of the article. Newspaper archive search yielded nothing. Article authors appears to be WP:SPA or at least very close to it. Has won some minor awards at a small film festival but it is not enough to pass WP:GNG or WP:SNG. Article appears to be more promotional in nature.


 * 1) WP:NARTIST, not signed to a label, work appears to be self published.
 * 2) WP:NACTOR, minor roles and few credited works.

 Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 19:21, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Bands and musicians.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 19:21, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete: did not find any coverage in my search either. QuietHere (talk) 19:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Not seeing as a pass of WP:GNG, is WP:TOOSOON at best. -Kj cheetham (talk) 21:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Source for the article is a reliable source for entertainment interviews. Mostly written by a single author, although some are credited to other authors. Recent interviews with Popternative can easily be found online with notable people like John Stamos and Lucy Hale.
 * This independent artist has been in notable TV shows and movies, and has also previously released music and music videos that have received award nominations in the Latino community. Wikipedia should not only contain information about mainstream artists, and should not discriminate against artists who are notable/recognized in the Latino entertainment community.
 * The information in this article is sourced from imdb, interviews and a variety of reliable sources. Writtenbyem (talk) 04:20, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Writtenbyem If you open up the source table I included you'll see how I score and judged each source. If you see something there that is an error then let us know. It is always possible that I've missed something or misunderstood the source in context.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 04:51, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I read the source table. The music video references are also referenced in imdb - Mr. Carrera performed in both. The NBC Palm Springs source - I was getting a 404 too, but was able to find the video on youtube and added source. The Latino Short Film Festival source is also reference on Mr. Carrera's personal website, as well as credit on imdb. As an editor and not the original writer of this page, I can't speak to all sources, but can speak to those.
 * Also, I must state that at a time in the world where independent artists like Billie Eilish and Finneas are clearly notable artists, it seems a bit subjective for us to determine whether or not an artist who remains independent from a label is a 'notable artist'. That said, I understand why you have questions, and have never had to explain why a subject I edited deserved to have a wikipedia page. I just enjoy wikipedia as a resource and enjoy editing/adding info to topics I am knowledgeable about. Writtenbyem (talk) 05:13, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok so for IMDB it has been normally considered an unreliable source as per WP:IMDB so we can't really use it except for a few minor cases. If you take a look at WP:NFILM we normally don't consider film festival pages to be secondary coverage " A film's notability must not, however, depend on sourcing it to the film festivals' own self-published catalogues of their own film lineups; a film can screen at a major film festival and still not attain sufficient notability to qualify for an article.". You don't have to explain or defend anything you're not under attack here. I'm showing you the rules and explaining my thought process behind them. If you believe otherwise that's fine, the most important part of collaborating on Wikipedia is that we make decisions based on consensus, and for me I'm of the mind set that we need to be flexible in how we apply rules. So as people come into this discussion they might have found things I missed, or add additional context.
 * Part of the nomination process requires that I go out and try to find sources before submitting the nomination. Here's the way I went about searching and trying to find sources to add to the article before I nominated it. I'm not listing this out trying to be a jerk or anything like that, just showing you that I did my due diligence and that this wasn't motivated by external factor or done on a whim.
 * Checked Google with the search string "Cody Carrera"
 * Checked Bing with the search string "Cody Carrera"
 * Google News with the search string "Cody Carrera"
 * Google News with the search string intitle:"Cody Carrera"
 * Google News Archive with the search string "Cody Carrera" site:news.google.com/newspapers
 * Checked Google Books and I did find something but it's not in English and I have no idea what's going on
 * Checked Google Scholar because I run that by default and there was one citation but I don't think it's Carrera as Cody Carrera is his stage name and mother's maiden name.
 * Checked for copy right violations and then reviewed the sources that came up there
 * Reviewed Wikidata and there was data there but none of it has a reference to help me connect it to statements in the article.
 * Visited Carreras website and social media to see if there was something that might have fallen through the cracks.
 *  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 06:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with @Writtenbyem. I believe there's a happy medium between deleting the entire page & updating it or condescending it for the purpose of wikipedia information. There's three reliable sources. 1) A local newspaper article, 2) An interview on NBC (I see the source was updated.) It's a video interview not on Carrera's own YouTube page & 3) An interview with a blog with major celebrities (the Popternaitve article that was added to the sources.)
 * I suggest focusing the page on Carrera, for example you can remove the part in "Life and career" about the other music video appearances  since he wasn't the main subject and it's already in his credits table. I've seen a lot of pages with less sources of people who aren't considered "famous". As I was browsing here are two examples.
 * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandy_Rain
 * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Moseley_(actor)
 * In the first page the majority of sources are her YouTube channel and the one reliable source from Billboard is a broken link. But no one is deleting her page or questioning her career or contributions. You're also saying because there's not much "news" when googling that the page should be taken down. That runs the risk of discrediting peoples contributions if they aren't constantly in the news cycle (see above examples.) Can someone have success in one year, but have inactive years in their career? Especially in entertainment. DeeDeeKelsey (talk) 13:33, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:OSE, a.k.a. the "other stuff exists" fallacy. The solution for Mandy Rain and Mark Moseley is to call for those articles to be improved or to make a case that they should be deleted, and someone at WP may very well do so when they get to it. The imperfections of those articles are irrelevant to the discussion of whether Mr. Carrera is notable in his own right. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment: I am not casting an official vote, because I am not commenting on the subject's writing, directing, or musical career; however, in terms of his acting roles, none of the parts he has played in TV shows or movies could be considered significant for the purposes of WP:NACTOR. And in searching for references, I am not getting any hits with the reliable sources one would expect for actors and actresses—Deadline, Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, etc. Dflaw4 (talk) 12:12, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is admittedly a close call, as Carrera has credits and a few news mentions. The sources named by the article's supporters above are brief mentions of Carrera appearing somewhere, and while they may be reliable sources, that is not the end of the story because when someone is mentioned in the media, the coverage still has to be significant in order to achieve the notability that is necessary for a WP article. Otherwise Carrera mostly appears in the lists of credits for things he's been in, though he does have a fair number of those. Charitably, it is too soon for a WP article. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:07, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - The source assessment is fairly spot on. My search shows the subject has received press either directly or, mostly, tangentially but it's not significant. His website has a press section with clips that suggest his NBC coverage is local television run-of-the-mill interview of a local actor, not the kind of normal coverage that makes for WP:ACTOR qualifications. I can't find anything online to confirm that the Latino Film and Arts Festival is a major thing. Again, his own website seems to reveal it's only of concern to the Palm Beach community. Bottom line, it's TOO SOON. The first thing he's done of note where he is not a secondary player--his debut album--will be released soon and if it's significant it will likely garner significant coverage. I'm not sure if there is a wiki procedure for "holding off to see in a few weeks," but for now it's a delete. ShelbyMarion (talk) 18:08, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Although some of sources in article are reliable but they should be significant coverage. We can see only passing a mention of subject in sources. Moresdi (talk) 13:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


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