Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cody Groat


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 00:47, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Cody Groat

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Does not appear to pass the subject notability guideline s for academics or politicians. Most sources present lack significant coverage or are not independent, and the required sources do not surface elsewhere, therefore also failing the general notability guideline. (The CBC source has some substantial content, but I don't think it's enough by itself.) There also appear to be some copyright violations, though not blatant enough for G12. Complex / Rational 02:34, 15 October 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 08:12, 22 October 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:22, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and Canada.  Complex / Rational  02:34, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. Looks rather too early career to me. The apparent encyclopedia entry is as a contributor. Not sure why the nomination cites NPOL? Espresso Addict (talk) 04:03, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing it's because footnote [1] is an article about someone else's local political campaign. (It quotes Groat and gives a little background about Groat as context for the quote.) —David Eppstein (talk) 06:42, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I mentioned NPOL because it appeared that there was some mention of a city council position. I realize that I misread the source (it was not about the article's subject), so that point is moot. Complex / Rational  19:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I've swapped the encyclopedia reference for one directly from the University of Birmingham, since the subject was the contributor of the entry. I've added more coverage from independent sources that show he has had a substantial impact outside of academia. Please see the updates to his career section and the reference list. If there are copyright violations, they are unintentional, and I can correct them if you point them out. Thank you. Erniee jo (talk) 16:46, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the improvements to the article. I don't believe the subject meets WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR at this time but I'm open to them meeting GNG as "a leading voice on Indigenous issues". ETA If notability isn't yet demonstrable, then userification appears a reasonable outcome, if the creator desires. Meeting WP:AUTHOR in the future seems quite likely. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:48, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: per WP:TOOSOON. He does not meet WP:SIGCOV, WP:PROF, or WP:AUTHOR at this time. TJMSmith (talk) 07:09, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: per WP:ACADEMIC and WP:SIGCOV. I've added independent references to his affiliations as President of the Indigenous Heritage Circle and member of the UNESCO Memory of the World National Committee to show that he meets the criteria for WP:ACADEMIC He has had a substantial impact outside academia through these organizations and as an historian who frequently comments in news media on issues related to Truth and Reconciliation in Canada. In meeting general notability guidelines, stories about Cody Groat have been independently covered by national(CBC) and local (Two Row Times, and MyKwartha) news sources. These sources have been referenced. Erniee jo (talk) 16:46, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist. Still don't see a consensus here. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:41, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep in addition to the sources added, there's no shortage of media coverage about him, such as [this. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] (talk) 03:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep because cumulatively the amount of coverage on him in national sources is enough to pass WP:GNG. Significant coverage can be found in a number of publications which have not yet been included in the article or mentioned in the AfD discussions, such as this and this. Chagropango (talk) 08:09, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Indigenous scholar involved in commemoration, outreach, extramural educational activities, etc is notable by current WP standards. 128.252.154.2 (talk) 19:14, 8 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.