Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cody Martin (baseball)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to Atlanta Braves minor league players - Non-admin closure, but consensus is quite clear. 86.** IP (talk) 19:53, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Cody Martin (baseball)

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Article does not meet the criteria set down in Notability (sports), specifically the baseball section. A college player who was selected low in the 2011 MLB draft, but has not played MLB. References are primarily local news, no sign of significant wide coverage of the subject. A discussion at DYK is ongoing regarding this, and two other articles, which has stalled. I have listed all three articles here to generate some proper discussion on the topic, so that it can be decided once and for all in the proper manner. (Discussion: Template:Did you know nominations/Michael Roth (baseball), Jason Krizan, Cody Martin (baseball))  Harrias  talk 11:07, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 April 3.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  11:23, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep as creator and DYK nominator Sufficient coverage to meet GNG, which does not require national news. From WP:ITSLOCAL: "Wikipedia's General Notability Guideline requires multiple sources independent of the subject to cover the subject in order to establish notability. But this guideline does not specify the locality of the coverage." These articles have multiple sources independent of the subject. It shouldn't matter that they don't meet NSPORTS, they meet GNG. I believe his coverage exceeds Run-of-the-mill. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:18, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete the question is whether any of the national coverage is more than routine game summaries or statistical summaries. Note that WP:GNG requires that "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention". This is the type of article that I personally would like to see kept but that fails WP:ATHLETE. There is no consensus on WP that being an All-American confers permanent notability for college baseball players. There was a time when he would have until the end of the season the following year to meet either ATHLETE or GNG. I personally, would prefer to hold him to this standard and give him a chance to be called up this season or set some Minor League records. The benefit to wikipedia is retention of encyclopedic detail. If the article result is deletion, maybe we could agree to hold this in the article incubator until the end of September out of respect for the old policy. I would vote to keep if this article had sufficient biographical detail about his high school career to give the article the feel that we have the ability to produce a biographical sketch with encyclopedic content.  One fact about his high school career fails this standard.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:01, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Regarding "I personally, would prefer to hold him to this standard and give him a chance to be called up this season or set some Minor League records", you might think about changing your !vote to a merge and redirect to Atlanta Braves minor league players. We use those pages to catch bios that are not sufficient for their own page at this time, but have the potential to deserve one in due time. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Atlanta Braves minor league players per Muboshgu.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:47, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:50, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete or Merge This is a well-written article but I don't see how the subject is any more notable than any of the dozens if not hundreds of college and minor league players who've been deleted or merged. Just about every good Division I player in a major sport has received coverage like this in local or regional outlets. (Ditto for minor leaguers.) — NY-13021 (talk) 18:31, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NCOLLATH, Martin has "Gained national media attention as an individual, not just as a player for a notable team", which is demonstrated by his All-American status.--TM 18:46, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: I understand this could mean this AfD and DYK are stalling each other, but with the current opinion divide here further participation is needed.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 17:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Not a problem. I'm not in any rush with this, and I understand this article could end up merged, though I hope it won't be outright deleted. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Atlanta Braves minor league players. I just don't see the significant coverage required for an stand alone article, and wasn't a top prospect neither. Secret account 19:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Can someone who wishes to merge this article explain how it does not pass the NCOLLATH guideline? It seems to me to pass it to the letter. A first team All-American would seem to have always have gained national media attention (i.e. from Baseball America etc).--TM 11:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see significant coverage here, other than the local area newspapers and minor passing mentions which isn't coverage. Unfortunately college baseball players get much less coverage than college football or basketball players unless they are a top prospect which he, despite his All-American status isn't. Merge makes sense here until more coverage can be found that indicate notability outside his college career and being drafted. Secret account 18:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * At least three sources presented go into him in depth: refs 3, 5 and 8. Those count as "multiple sources" with "non-trivial coverage" in my opinion. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:53, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Citation 8 mentions his All-American honor and not much else, basically trivial coverage, ref 3 is the typical coverage from the local small town newspaper on a local high school athlete, I can't see source 5 as it's behind a paywall but I just don't see the extra coverage that any other college or minor league athlete gets. Secret account 20:39, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ref 3's "typical coverage from the local small town newspaper on a local high school athlete" still counts as coverage towards GNG, as it's about him in a non-trivial, in depth manner. Citation 8 is not "trivial coverage"; it is brief, but it discusses a major honor and the season for which he earned it. Source 5 says he "set a Bulldogs single-season saves record with nine", so again not trivial coverage. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:00, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * How is setting his college baseball team single-season saves record with nine any claim of notability? And source three is again Routine Coverage, very localized coverage by the very small town newspaper. I don't see the GNG here. I'm not discussing a deletion, just a merge. Secret account 18:16, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge - There is enough sourced content and a suitable merge target such that deletion is clearly not appropriate. I am not sure WP:NCOLLATH is meant to imply that all all-americans are necesarily notable.  There is a good amount of sourced content, but I am not sure the sources are quite strong enough to meet WP:GNG, although I could see it barely meeting the guideline. Rlendog (talk) 14:52, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Atlanta Braves minor league players. Seems the best option for this one. Spanneraol (talk) 19:41, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Atlanta Braves minor league players. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:50, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * weak keep while a lot of those articles are behind pay-walls, the "bee" article appear to be mostly about him and the all-american thing seems to be a strong hint of notability. Looks like weakly meets GNG and weakly meets NCOLLATH. Hobit (talk) 03:19, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge to Atlanta Braves minor league playersNewmanoconnor (talk) 22:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.