Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coldest Winter (song) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 10:15, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Coldest Winter (song)
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This article clearly does not pass WP:NSONGS, as it has not charted, was covered by merely one group, received no awards and West only used a slightly altered version for the music video. I propose a redirect to 808s & Heartbreak and do regret creating this article, but that was back when I was less experienced on here and made articles for nearly every song I heavily liked. K. Peake 09:06, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. --K. Peake 09:11, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. --K. Peake 09:11, 22 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge/redirect not sure why I was tagged on this one, since I never edited the article, but I agree that looking at the coverage, there does not appear to be sufficient coverage of the song to merit a standalone article. Like everything else there's a learning curve with notability. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  09:21, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the confusion, the tag was done because you have been a regular contributor to AFD discussions. --K. Peake 10:03, 22 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak redirect to 808s & Heartbreak - While there are standalone articles about the song from Pitchfork, Billboard, MTV News, and Stereogum, and some decent coverage in a Billboard piece, they could be accommodated on the album article. Since the only major contributor to the article has proposed the redirect, I am comfortable supporting it. Though, in the future, it may be okay (even preferable) if you redirect these without an AfD.--NØ 09:59, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per the standalone coverage provided by NØ plus the fact that the song's music video was on a 2018 list of best Kanye videos by Complex. More significantly, GQ also ranked this one of the best all-time tracks about isolation in 2020. It is also in a lot of retrospective best-of lists of winter songs from as recent as this year with Time Out's list; Glamour (2014), NME (2018), East Bay Times (2019), and The Arizona Republic (2015). There is Academic literature as well. All of this, plus the fact that you can the song still talked about in modern times with coverage found in a GNews search, indicates long-lasting and independent coverage. 👨x🐱 (talk) 11:06, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The "academic literature" is just passing mentions which are not counted for notability. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  11:53, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Notwithstanding my respect for the fact that the nominator wants to delete an article they created, that they are the biggest contributor to, and that when it was previously at AfD, they literally saved it from deletion, the sources extant to the article, as well as those provided above by the guy with the weird sig suggest that, NSONGS apart, the article passes WP:GNG. ——  Serial  11:18, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you offering your opinion, but I acknowledged my history with this article in the summary of AFD if you wish to check that... --K. Peake 19:40, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you ; I'm sure your opinion is as valuable now as it was last time. Cheers! ——  Serial  20:09, 22 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep, The song passes WP:NSINGLE per sources provided by MaranoFan. Chirota (talk) 18:06, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Serial. – zmbro (talk) 18:40, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect - The Pitchfork and Stereogum source mention the video and that's it. The first Billboard and MTV have decent coverage on the video, the second Billboard mention its an album review, which doesn't contribute for WP:NSongs. Complex is just a list of videos of Kanye. The list of GQ and Glamour make no mention of the song besides the playlist a brief mention on Time Out and on AZ Central, NME and EBT all mention and say the same things over and over again. Like buidhe said "the "academic literature" is just passing mentions which are not counted for notability." MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm really don't like how you're downplaying the significance of the coverage of the all-time winter songs list and the other best-of list. The lists are significance and not just "playlists" of songs, the publications actually ranked them in the top of an all-time list of a type of songs, and years, years later after the track was released at certain points. 👨x🐱 (talk) 02:33, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't like the way you think those lists are above anything else. They have zero context and they are winter lists. Not best songs of all time. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:25, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * MarioSoulTruthFan. I should't have to constantly debunk falsehoods with users that never get the point. They're a list of the best winter songs of all-time. My bologna sandwich "they have zero context and they are winter lists." 👨x🐱 (talk) 13:11, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I just gave my opinion, you were the one who started the discussion. They don't offer anything regarding the songs composotion, reception, lyrics, etc. They just say its number 1, 2,3 and so on. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:31, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The ranking itself from the reputable publications is the coverage. They don't have to talk about production and composition. They're official rankings by staff of that reputable publication.. 👨x🐱 (talk) 22:06, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Even though it was me who nominated this article for deletion, I do actually believe these classify as coverage just as much as year-end, decade-end lists, etc do. --K. Peake 07:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep clearly passes WP:GNG per NØ. SNG's are completely irrelevant if a subject meets GNG. SK2242 (talk) 01:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per comments above. LOVI  33  01:18, 27 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.