Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colin Ratushniak


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The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:20, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Colin Ratushniak

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I attempted to merge the Colin Ratushniak article with List of Dancing on Ice professional skaters because the skater does not meet the criteria of WikiProject Figure Skating/Notability. He never won his senior national title or any senior international medals. He won provincial novice titles and perhaps some national pre-novice medals but there is no reference for this. In any case, he is a long way from being notable. Karen Dawes disputed my merge and undid it, saying:


 * You have recently merged my page with that of another. I dispute your reasons for doing this. Colin Ratushniak has a significant following on Twitter and Facebook, and has appeared in Dancing on Ice, Holiday on Ice and is about to appear in Kyran Bracken's Ice party show. His notoriety in the professional ice skating world is sufficient, I believe, to warrant this individual page being published. The page itself was reviewed initially and passed as a grade C page. It has since been edited and improved. Please can you undo the edit the did so that the page is reinstated or give me very good reasons why you took the page and merged it without giving prior indication that you were going to do this so that it could have been discussed. Karendawes (talk) 07:56, 29 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but having a following on Twitter and Facebook and appearing in ice shows are not listed as sufficient to have a separate Wiki article. Please review WikiProject Figure Skating/Notability. He does not have notoriety in the professional skating world because he is not regularly invited to events with Olympic and World medalists. He appears mainly in shows with lower-level skaters. Even if he did get invited to more important shows, he would still need to meet some other criteria. Having his own subsection on the listing of Dancing on Ice professionals is sufficient given his record. Hergilei (talk) 08:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep, Ratushniak has been the subject of multiple idependent newspaper articles that focus on him, not just on his role as a Dancing on Ice cast member. That suffices to make him satisfy the general notability guideline even if he fails the more specific WikiProject guidelines. Huon (talk) 14:01, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Some local newspapers, yes. In that case many minor skaters would be notable. British papers mention him only in passing. He has no notable achievements. He ended his competitive career on the novice level and played a supporting role in one Dancing On Ice series, where the focus is on the celebrity, not the "pro skater". Hergilei (talk) 16:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, Surely a compromise could be reached here, he certainly meets the criteria general notability guidelineand I would dispute that the pro skaters on Dancing on Ice are not perceived by the public as being just as integral to the show as the celebrity. When appearing in Holiday on Ice, the press sought to interview Ratushniak not other skaters in the show, even those "world and olympic" skaters who appeared in the show with him. This would indicate that the press see him as notable in his own right. --Karendawes (talk) 19:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I have now added a further reference to the article which is an interview Ratushniak did with the national publication Theatre and Performance magazine to counter the claim that media interest is only at a local level. --Karendawes (talk) 10:39, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep – Meets WP:BASIC. Source examples include:, , . Northamerica1000(talk) 06:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. My understanding is that Wikipedia's approach is that, on notability issues, a topic that passes any set of guidelines is adequately notable, even though they may fail on another set. I originally accepted this article on AfC because I felt it met the general notability guidelines. Furthermore, the contributor is still working to develop and improve the article.  David_FLXD  (Talk) 05:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
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