Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Collaborative project management (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 08:33, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Collaborative project management
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After it was brought up at Teahouse I spent a while looking at this page and am struggling to verify it's a real thing that even exists. Searching for "Collaborative project management" brings up results, but most of them seem unrelated or extremely generic. It feels like a likely string of words to come up with independently (everyone loves collaboration, and project management is totally a thing).

At the very least this article is heavily WP:PROMO, but I also suspect it's not a commonly used term (for reference, I have never heard it before, and I work in software engineering, a field where it's supposedly been widely adopted). Looking through the sources I'm finding a lot of specific problems:
 * Besides the paper by Stuffer, which I have no access to, no source seems to reference a Dr. Rupert Stuffer in association with "collaborative project management" at all
 * The Mistrík et al paper uses the term "Collaborative Software Engineering" and does not mention any other fields, despite the article claiming to be a broad industrial trend applying to at least the auto industry.
 * The USAID document does not contain the phrase. The Cattani et al paper  does not contain the phrase.
 * The Project Management Institute article seems legit enough. It's title uses the words "collaborative project management" together, but the phrase only appears once in the article; it seems to be describing a generic thing and not the specific thing this article claims to be about

Previous AfD was no consensus, with comments noting that there definitely are discussions about elements of this article in project-driven fields. I wonder if "Use of collaborative technology in project management" would be a more accurate title, but I'm also assessing this from the perspective as it's written, where it seems to want to define and claim the existence of a general term.

I get that business terms can often seem fuzzy, but contrasting this with something like Agile software development it feels exceptionally vague. I'm doubtful this has any notability or even that it exists as a Thing and not just a buzzword with dubious meaning that varies depending on who is applying it. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 04:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Business and Management.  Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 04:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the detailed research confirmation.
 * I only recently learned about CPM, so I can't give a correct comment on its history, etc.
 * However, I will write only a few things that come to my mind.
 * 1) The original German Wikipedia is not updated frequently.(The English version has more updates)
 * 2) It seems to be a hot topic in the German automobile industry.
 * Siegfried Seibert: WI-Projekt.Kollaboratives Projektmanagement (Projektarbeit im SS 2008) (siegfried-seibert.de)
 * 3) Dr. Rupert Stuffer is also named here. (although the link is broken)
 * Technische Universität München – Wikipedia
 * So, regarding Collaborative project management, I think it's necessary to clarify the source, but I don't think it's enough to delete the page. Mocha c jp (talk) 04:51, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Just as a note, Wikipedia is not a reliable source—we can't cite ourselves (or Wikipedia projects in other languages). Of course, the citations provided on other wiki pages might be reliable. Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 05:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree about the reliability of Wikipedia itself. Mocha c jp (talk) 05:24, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Dr. Rupert Stuffer is probably this person.
 * Datenhelden mit Dr. Rupert Stuffer
 * Dr. Rupert Stuffer spricht mit unserem Partner Quinscape im Interview über die Grenzen und Möglichkeiten des No-Code/Low-Code-Ansatzes, der Mitarbeitern die individuelle Gestaltung ihres digitalen Arbeitsplatzes ermöglicht. Außerdem blickt der Projektmanagement-Pionier auf die Herausforderung, hybride Projekte durch Software effizient zu unterstützen und gibt einen Ausblick, wie der Trend der Agilisierung das Projektmanagement künftig verändern wird.
 * https://www.collaboration-factory.de/webinare/datenhelden Mocha c jp (talk) 05:39, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. In this case a word placed next to a well known term has gotten google hits and usage in the titles of books and articles, just because that well known term is used often. This is just "Project management" when more than one person has access to the project data - it is not a distinct topic, and it should not have a distinct Wikipedia article. - MrOllie (talk) 21:02, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Continuation, My opinion is as follows. Since around 2000, the term has been mainly used in Germany, and many people have continued to edit it for a long time, so I think it is an effective term. I don't think there is anything particularly strange about the content. Dr. Rupert Stuffer is also listed at the Technical University of Munich. If this term is subject to deletion, shouldn't similar terms also be subject to deletion? Social project management, Collaborative software: Should it be called Groupware in general, should it be renamed? (Collaborative software, I've never heard of it) Agile management: The term "Agile Project Management" has not been picked up by any of the international organizations developing Project Management Standards. Mocha c jp (talk) 23:56, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Modern project management is, by its very nature, collaborative. I Googled "collaborative project management", and, while the term "collaborative" would appear, the text only referred to "project management", giving the impression that "collaborative" is a marketing term, not a technical term, and therefore, "collaborative project management" is only a buzzword which can suggest many things, depending on who is using it.
 * Even if this is a "thing" in Germany, is there any research on the theory or practice of "collaborative project management"? If Google is of no help in an English-language search, perhaps the German equivalent, kooperatives Projektmanagement, might turn up reliable sources, such that an English article about a German phenomenon could be created.
 * However, when I searched the German term, the results were primarily for a German book written by Erik Wischnewski, an astronomer: Kooperatives Projektmanagement: Strategien Zur Nachhaltigen Verbesserung Der Projektabwicklung (Cooperative project management: strategies for the sustainable improvement of project execution). Personally, I don't trust the quality standards of the German Wikipedia, and the fact that an article in German exists is no reason to have one here. That article is essentially somebody's OR. It may well be WP:TOOSOON, or it may be a passing buzzword.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:49, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Confirmation in advance,
 * If it is deleted, what will happen to the contents?
 * Would you like to add it to the project management? (Assuming that the contents are adjusted) Mocha c jp (talk) 08:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Contents will be in a special administrator archive. The content is so vague that adding any of it to Project management would not improve that article, in my opinion.--Quisqualis (talk) 08:35, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I will ask you for the future. Mocha c jp (talk) 10:39, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * ・Shouldn't we not just add "collaborative" to "project management" but leave it somewhere as a way of thinking about the development of PM?
 * ・Similarly, what do you think about “social project management”? Don't you think it should be deleted as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mocha c jp (talk • contribs)
 * Content doesn't need to be notable enough to have an entire page of its own in order to be added to another article (see WP:NOTEWORTHY) but I'm not convinced there's much on this page worth saving. There are literally zero sources for the history section (to be clear, no one is questioning whether Rupert Stuffer is a real person; we need a citation showing that the claims made about him are true), and the remainder of the content doesn't seem to describe a cohesive thing. As for Social project management, yeah, at a glance it looks like it might be worth discussing as well. Check out WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS here though; the fact that there are other pages like this one doesn't really have much bearing on the discussion of this one.Also as a general tip on AfD discussions, this isn't a vote and it doesn't help to bold multiple things. Conventionally people tend to use bold text only in their first comment on the page, and usually use language that makes it clear what they think should happen like "Keep" or "Merge into X." Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 15:22, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Uncited, content-free generalities, with no evidence that a decent article with this title could or needs to be written. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 15:58, 24 October 2022 (UTC)


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