Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/College football's ten most victorious programs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Redirect can be created if necessary. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 21:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

College football's ten most victorious programs
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Article should likely be deleted or merged into the NCAA Division I FBS National Football Championship article due to the arbitrary nature of cutting the list off at ten, and the lack of references justifying the top ten list. The article also duplicates information found elsewhere and seems to be WP:POV / WP:OR. For further information and discussion on this proposal, see CrazyPaco's discussion on NCAA Division I football win-loss records talk page and the NCAA Division I FBS National Football Championship talk page. Cardsplayer4life (talk) 22:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  -- Tavix |  Talk  22:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Partial merge Cardsplayer4life is partly correct.  I agree that the last half of the article (i.e., the part titled "National championships") could be merged into the NCAA Division I FBS National Football Championship article.  However, the lists showing the top college football programs both in total wins and winning percentage is useful content that I do not believe is duplicative of any other Wikipedia content.  I think some of the prose could be adjusted to deal with the "POV" issues noted.  As for the arbitrary cutoff at the top ten programs, I see no reason why the article cannot be expanded if and when someone has the time and inclination to do so, but that's not a reason for deleting the current content.  A "Top 10" list is a good start.  I think the best solution is to merge the "National championship" part and then take the two lists and rename the article something along the lines of "List of college football programs by total wins and winning percentage."  With such a description, the content could be expanded to include a wider listing of programs. Cbl62 (talk) 23:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Change my vote to Full merge. On first read, I didn't see Carsplayer4life's reference to the second article on NCAA Division I football win-loss records.  It seems to me that the entire content of College football's ten most victorious programs could indeed be split and merged into one of the two main articles -- NCAA Division I FBS National Football Championship or NCAA Division I football win-loss records.  Cbl62 (talk) 23:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am working on a complete Claimed National Championship List in my sandbox that will replace the one in the top 10 article and be placed in the NCAA Division I FBS National Football Championship article.  The previous list on the top 10 article contained errors (although I had since updated it with my new information).  Such a list of university's claims is complicated, but I'm hoping to have a relatively complete and thoroughly referenced one soon. I have also updated the table in the NCAA Division I football win-loss records article through 2008 per the NCAA Records  Book. It is now sortable by wins or percentage thereby replicating the information in the top 10 article in a more comprehensive fashion minus the POV. CrazyPaco (talk) 01:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 00:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Articles linking this one should be redirected to NCAA Division I football win-loss records which duplicates the data and is comprehensive. Actually, "NCAA Division I football win-loss records" should probably be renamed to "NCAA Division I FBS football win-loss records" CrazyPaco (talk) 01:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and create a redirect to NCAA Division I football win-loss records per Crazypaco. Cardsplayer4life (talk) 03:34, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete (userfy to someone but not me 'cause I have too much to do already) actually kind of smells more like "original research" or maybe "wikinews" instead... because it can change with current events and is ongoing. Good information, wrong place.--Paul McDonald (talk) 00:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with the notion that it comes off a little bit like OR. Also, it could be argued it's an example of content-forking, too, as the same info is included on NCAA Division I FBS National Football Championship and NCAA Division I football win-loss records.-PassionoftheDamon (talk) 13:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.