Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cologne Classical Ensemble


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The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 04:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Cologne Classical Ensemble

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Lack of notability. Has been marked with notability for quite some time. The only third-party mentions I was able to find on the internet are articles in local German newspapers, which do not suffice to constitute notability. Carabinieri (talk) 02:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Most of the coverage is certainly in local and regional newspapers, however taken together they are covering the whole area of Western Germany including Aachen, Cologne, Dortmund, Bonn, Koblenz. Also, there is a recension of their album in Neue Musikzeitung, the leading German magazine covering all styles of music. Finally, they have two recordings on a major label (Sony). Seems to be enough for basic notability. PanchoS (talk) 16:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * According to WP:BAND, "Works comprising merely trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories" don't prove notability. All newspaper mentionings I was able to find merely announce the ensemble's concert dates, so that definately falls under "trivial coverage". As far as I'm able to tell, they have only released one album with Sony. That only leaves the album review in Neue Musikzeitung, which surely isn't enough to establish notability.--Carabinieri (talk) 21:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep There's enough notability here. Removed notability tag and changed to expand, which will be necessary if this escapes AfD. avs5221 (talk) 00:01, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you mind telling us why this topic is notable?--Carabinieri (talk) 21:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I originally voted keep per this WP:BAND criteria: "Has released two or more albums on a major label." I did more digging on this and their "second" CD per PanchoS is a compilation CD on which CCE only has one song. With that taken into consideration, they do not meet WP:MUSIC. My apologies, Carabinieri. avs5221 (talk) 19:42, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to beat a dead horse...while I think Carabinieri has a point to the publishing clause of WP:MUSIC, I also think PanchoS has a claim to "non-trivial published works." See: here, here, here, here, here, cd review, cd review, and here. There are many more on the CCE website. I hate contradicting myself, but I'd rather get it right. avs5221 (talk) 23:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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 * Keep The sources provided are adequate for our purpose. No useful purpose is served by continually relisting this as there is clearly no consensus to delete. Colonel Warden (talk) 14:12, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
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