Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colonel Charles Michael Russell


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to William Haggard. Missvain (talk) 23:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Colonel Charles Michael Russell

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Fictional character with no real world notability.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:47, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete: As written, clearly fails WP:NFICTION/WP:GNG and I am not seeing any good sources to improve this. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:50, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to William Haggard, the author/creator of the character. Probably also move in the process to remove "Colonel" from the page title. But either way redirects are cheap and there is an obvious target. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: this does not meet the WP:GNG and there aren't sources to get it there. Would accept a redirect as it could be a reasonable search term. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: per Shooterwalker. BlueD954 (talk) 07:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)Delete
 * Keep With an article for the author of the book series, and several of the books, a redirect and merge to William Haggard is surely the minimum here. But searching in ProQuest, one comes across several articles in the media over the years, suggesting a general knowledge of the hero of this book series. Examples are William Haggard's obituary in The Times, The Telegraph, a 1995 piece in The Observer, a 2009 piece in Independent, and there and elsewhere I find no end of book reviews, including from the New York Times and The Guardian; many written with the assumption that you already know who this character is. There's also three good Sources listed in the article, from the 1970s, and I also quickly find a good reference in "Spies and Holy Wars: The Middle East in 20th-Century Crime Fiction By Reeva Spector Simon link. WP:Recentism is a huge problem with this project, and I don't think it helps to eliminate articles whose subject would have been familiar to many a half-century ago. We wouldn't be having this discussion in 1975. Nfitz (talk) 03:17, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep The article already has several good sources and there are plenty more visible in the search links above. Our policy WP:ATD applies: "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Andrew🐉(talk) 11:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to William Haggard. Article does not meet notability guidelines, but redirects are cheap and there is a good target.  // Timothy ::  talk  23:44, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 03:31, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: The sources linked by Nfitz above seem to show enough discussion and analysis of the character, and this book has a section on the character as well: A History of Spy Fiction: Reflections on the Genre. The sources are not included in the article, but they do WP:NEXIST. -2pou (talk) 21:40, 14 December 2020 (UTC) 2pou (talk) 21:40, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect - Sourcing on the character itself doesn't seem substantial enough. I'm unsure of the merit of shifting this to a series overview article rather than a character article, but I think incubating it in the main article is a better idea for now. TTN (talk) 15:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to William Haggard. Most content is worthless WP:NOTPLOT material; what little real-world content there is can be merged from the history. Not notable out of the context of the author.  Sandstein   15:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


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