Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colorado Catholic Academy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Colorado Catholic Academy

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notability-If "CCA closed due to financial constraints after the conclusion of the 06/07 school year", is it still notable? Chris 07:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability does not expire. Turlo Lomon 07:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * reply what specifically made it notable? Chris 07:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply Now that I can't answer, but your question specifically was "still notable". If something was notable, it would still be notable. I may change my stance after I do some further digging, but how you phrased your AFD may cause a problem. Turlo Lomon 08:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am trying to find it now, but I could have sworn there was a policy or guildeline indicating that a high school was defined as notable to encourage younger editors. Turlo Lomon 08:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Reference: User_talk:Turlo_Lomon/history1. This is what I was told when I was brand new here. Turlo Lomon 08:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see. My "still" referred to the auto-notability of high schools. Since this is a stub, and a closed school, so there are no more younger editors to encourage, does it carry the notability of either a living-but-stubby article or a closed-but-well-written-and-actually notable one? Chris 21:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 06:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 06:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It is already well extablished that notability does not expire. If it was notable once, it is notable now. Turlo Lomon 07:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Turlo Lomon-quite obviously did not read the section in that same clause that says "articles should not be written based on speculation that the topic may receive additional coverage in the future." I'm tired of trying to get you to answer the specific question directly-so this is my last reply to you. Chris 07:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I know you read the link I posted above. You even commented on the auto-notability of high schools. If that is the policy, then it should remain. If I was misinformed on the policy, then that should be stated and I would change my stand on this issue. This isn't a vote, it is a discussion. Right now, the point of debate is "Are High Schools automatically notable?" Right there decides this whole AfD. Turlo Lomon 08:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Direct Policy Found Inherent notability It states all High Schools are notable. And since notability doesn't expire Notability, article should stay. Turlo Lomon 14:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * As said below, that is very not policy. Should not even be cited as a repuatable essay. &mdash; i said 05:09, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. The 'inherent notability' guideline quoted above is not accepted Wikipedia policy. In the absence of any agreement at WP:Schools all school articles must conform to the core Notability guieline. There probably will be sources available to expand this article and demonstrate the school's notability but so far this has not been done. Dahliarose 13:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,


 * Delete Not a notable school. &mdash; i said 05:09, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. --RucasHost 10:33, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per I. CRGreathouse (t | c) 15:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - The statement that the school closed is unsourced; I have not been able to verify it or debunk it via a websearch. However, I find that the school is discussed in a book: Ungodly Rage: Hidden Face of Catholic Feminism, By Donna M. Steichen. It seems to be an example of a Catholic school established by conservative Catholics and operated outside the church structure.--Orlady 17:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I followed the link, looked at the index, which notes that the school is mentioned on page 389, went to that page and saw only a mention as one of a few conservative Catholic schools. Noroton 22:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Additional information. Also, the school was subject of a segment on ABC TV News in 1976: Report on school started by dissatisfied parents.. The school is starting to look like it might be notable!--Orlady 17:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this definitely counts as a substantial source. Noroton 22:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Orlady has established that there is one excellent source, the ABC News segment from 1976. I'm confident that other sources exist -- they always exist for a high school, which is why I think they're all inherently notable. I hope we can establish this to everyone's satisfaction before this AfD is over. Noroton 22:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability is permanent, and the ABC News source is more than sufficient for notability. I think that perhaps not 100% but more likely 90% of established high schools will prove to be notable, and the simplest thing to do is to keep them all. We will however need a project for upgrading them, because a great many of thecontributed articles are totally inadequate.  DGG (talk) 23:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Notablity is established and survives the school's closing. Alansohn 01:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * comment-I'm not married to the idea that this article must be deleted, and I thank all of you after the first commenter for opening up why this school is notable, but why then has this new-found information not been added to the article, as Alansohn and I did with Granada Undivided School? I'd rather save it if possible, but thus far precious little has changed since I put the AfD up. Chris 01:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a little hard to access that ABC News report, even though we know it exists and it seems very clear that it offers substantial coverage. If we could grab the information easily, I think it would have been done already. Unless someone wants to make the case that they really doubt there are independent reliable sources for the school, I don't think there's a notability argument for deletion any more. In time, I believe sources will be added. Noroton 01:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I really wasn't trying to trash it, but when I found it, it looked like a closed school, no notability and no new students to eventually take up the torch. I always root for a living high school, but never know what to do with closed ones that have not merged and are not on a historical register. I'm glad you all understood my concerns. If you'll add what has been found, I'm happy to withdraw the nom. Chris 02:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no reason at all to doubt your good faith. Noroton 14:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, the search results page describing the ABC segment (reported by Ted Koppel by the way!) had some worthwhile information, which I just added. Noroton 02:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Per AlanSohn. Twenty Years 14:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


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