Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coming-of-age film


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. joe deckertalk to me 20:56, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Coming-of-age film

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Contested PROD. PROD rationale was "Consists entirely of original research (only 1 sentence is sourced, and the source is a dead link)." Contesting editor added this source, which seems of questionable reliability (no indication of authorship, hosted on a college website...likely self-published) and does not address the OR issues. IllaZilla (talk) 17:14, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as OR...some odd choices in that OR, too. I can see this existing one day if real references are found (a la the references in Bildungsroman, the text equivalent), but that can be written from scratch; there's no reason to keep this unsourced article which somehow identifies Brokeback Mountain and A Christmas Carol as coming-of-age films. Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 23:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep but gut and rework with sources. The content is still OR, but the subject is notable. Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 06:42, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:28, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I think this can be rescued. There have been many volumes of books and whole film school courses about the topic. Bearian (talk) 18:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Saying that sources exist is one thing, but you've got to show them. It's highly likely that this is not a film-specific topic, as of course there are coming-of-age stories in literature, theater, and even music. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been looking up something that will essentially give a dictionary style definition for this *AND* stand up to the test of being a reliable source. Lots of reliable sources make mention of "coming of age film", but its essentially understood that the reader knows what such a film is.  I have found several sources that could potentially stand as reliable sources, but I'm looking for a golden source, like the New York Times, so that it won't be challenged. I'll get back to you.  Funny thing, because of Wikipedia's strong rules for reliable sources, the actual definition part of this is hard to find since most people understand without having to get a long explanation. -- Avanu (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that's probably true. This strikes me as more of a motif than a genre, in that it describes a type of character arc employed in many branches of storytelling (film, literature, comics, theater, etc.). In that sense it's less a genre than a thematic element, in that the primary genre for most "coming-of-age" type films would be drama. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:52, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep&mdash;Keep per WP:ATD and notable topic. Citation added.&mdash;RJH (talk) 22:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding that source. Now the dozens of other sources can come in and not be considered OR.  I've been looking for a golden source to tie together the coming of age concept with a film genre, and yours comes pretty close.  If only it were published in the NYT. -- Avanu (talk) 12:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep It looks like the genre itself is discussed in some book sources: . Qrsdogg (talk) 04:56, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Click the Google news archive search at the top of the AFD. It gives 17,000 results.  Major newspapers do refer to films in this genre.  Instead of just films, perhaps an article for Coming-of-age (genre) would be better, since there are novels and comics/manga about that, and television shows as well.  This genre obviously exist, and thus should be covered in Wikipedia.  I'm sure textbooks for film students include this in it, and can be used for a proper definition.   D r e a m Focus  17:56, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. I've added three book sources to the article talk page, including one devoted exclusively to the topic: Coming of Age on Film: Stories of Transformations in World Cinema. No preview on Google for that one, but there is a lengthy Amazon preview available. Many other sources could probably also be found; the article itself just needs some wikilove. I do approve of Focus' suggestion of a meta article or category though, e.g. one that comprises the whole genre, but I also think a separate article just for films is called for. –  OhioStandard  (talk) 05:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, that source was already listed in the further reading section. But the others are new. –  OhioStandard  (talk) 05:51, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
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