Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Commercial Vehicle Safety Alliance


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The result was no consensus. Guerillero Parlez Moi 21:03, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Commercial Vehicle Safety Alliance

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Fails WP:ORG, no WP:RS, out of 7 refs two are PRIMARY, 1 dead link, rest only passing mention. The Book ref has a paragraph about the ORG. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 04:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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 *  Weak Keep I added some more recent coverage, but it's not great. Mostly niche coverage in trucking publications, and tied to the organization's press releases. Not a very sexy group, but they have been around for a while and seem to have a large and influential membership.  Its safety events are reported every year in trucking news media. These new stories are all minor and about the group's activities and not itself, but show their influence in the industry.  Could also be a merge prospect to Automotive safety. No opposition if that's consensus. TechnoTalk (talk) 19:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Changed vote after all the sources I identified with state and federal traffic safety agencies. TechnoTalk (talk) 03:19, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to consider new sources. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:53, 16 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero  Parlez Moi 12:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Please check WP:ORG and ask yourself, if this article meets the criteria? - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 02:01, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sticking with the weak keep. There's a lot of coverage of the group's activities in transportation publications, , , , , etc. It would certainly be better if there was more coverage of the group's history and executive team. WP:ORG talks about audience, saying attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability I think that's the crux.  Are these trucking publications limited interest and circulation? I'm not a trucker and don't really know, so I'm leaning on the side of keep. TechnoTalk (talk) 18:51, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NCORP and latest sources brought to this board are all press releases, so do not contribute to establishing notability. Slywriter (talk) 20:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NCORP. The coverage must be there.   scope_creep Talk  18:03, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment There are no press releases in this article. There's nothing that says a press release can't be used to generate related coverage. That's why they exist. All the sources are in independent reliable third party sources, the very definition of WP:NCORP. Nonetheless, to satisfy Scope and the others, I just did another search, and found that public safety officials in every state and Canada, including Arizona, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Utah, New York, California, and Canada, all either discuss CVSA guidelines or link to the CSVA website as resources.  Indeed the New York source specifically says Inspectors will follow an inspection procedure established by the Commercial Vehicle Safety Alliance (CVSA) to inspect the driver and vehicle. These procedures are used throughout North America. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) credits the CVSA with helping establish FMCSA's driver certification processes.  The entire chapter 7 of the Washington State Commercial Vehicle Guide is about CVSA]. States even issue CVSA decals for trucks that pass inspections. See Indiana's Commercial Vehicle Guidebook. There's also a National Library of Medicine paper studying the association's safety criteria. You can do a similar WP:BEFORE search using the phrase "commercial vehicle safety alliance gov" to find much more along these lines, after page 3. None of that is PR and certainly isn't traditional media coverage, but it shows the group's notability and influence within vehicle safety organizations. There's no doubt that this is useful information for Wikipedia's readers. TechnoTalk (talk) 22:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Doesn't meet WP:NCORP. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:28, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: There are far more sources than just press releases to pass WP:NCORP. Aside from links above provided by TechnoTalk there are many more. A now very large organization that not only focuses on truck safety in all 50 states (example ), Canada, and Mexico, they bring awareness to human trafficking as part of the Combating Human Trafficking In Commercial Vehicles Act (Public Law 115-99—JAN. 3, 2018). Over 13,000 inspectors participate in DOT Week or DOT Blitz. The CVSA is also home to North American Fatigue Management Program (NAFMP). The Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association (OOIDA) and The Transportation Intermediaries Association (TIA) tried to get the annual event postponed during the pandemic. States involved with CVSA: Nebraska, Michigan, Louisiana (KNOE 8 News), Texas, and on-and-on. The CVSA provides commercial brake adjustment limits for braking assemblies (Brake systems), and other sources. 46 jurisdictions in the US and Canada were involved in the 2022 CVSA inspections. --  Otr500 (talk) 14:46, 6 August 2022 (UTC)


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