Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Commonwealth Elementary School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Improving the article with the sources indicated is highly encouraged to prevent renomination in the future. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 16:15, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Commonwealth Elementary School

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSCHOOL. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES states that "Secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist." — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 02:17, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. — hueman1 ( talk  •  contributions ) 02:17, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete It could just be because of the really general name, but all I could find was trivial coverage in a few articles of a school in Texas with the same name. I couldn't find anything about this school though. So, unless someone else can come up with WP:THREE in-depth, independent sources about this school and not the one in Texas the article should be deleted IMO. If some usable sources can be found though, feel free to ping me and I'll change my "vote" to keep. BTW, the references in the article aren't enough for notability from what I can tell either. I can go into why if anyone cares, but I rather not. Adamant1 (talk) 09:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - this elementary school has had enrollment between 9,000 and 13,000 students, larger than many universities, and populated places. The Standard source, already in the article, is a superior source.  The Philippine Inquirer is also relevant.  Addition information can be taken from  and .  It appears to be a very significant institution within the Manila metro area.  I'm not sure deleting this is in the best interests of the encyclopedia.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:05, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * What "superior" source in the article are you talking about and what exactly is it superior to? The problem with keeping it is that if you take away what's not referenced and (or) badly sourced there's only like 2 sentences of the article left that only mention extremely trivial information. Maybe we could technically have an article about the school with like five sources that just contains the location of the school and how many people are enrolled in it, but it wouldn't be encyclopedic. So I don't think we should. Not that there's five good sources anyway though. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:51, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * There are three sources in the article, two of which I can access. I'll repeat myself: The Standard source is very in-depth, is independent, and is certainly not local. The Philippine Daily Inquirer is local to the area, but "area" being one of the world's major metropolitan areas.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 12:35, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Nothing else is significant about the school except the number of its enrolments, I don't think anything will go any further from here. — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 13:15, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh come on, don't expect me to spell.... My user name is has no letters in it, perhaps fortuitously. Anyway, it appears to me that the topic meets GNG.  Now, I haven't !voted "keep" yet because I'm not from the Philippines, nor Hong Kong, and I'm not familiar with these sources.  They are in-depth, and independent, but why are they not reliable?  I also need to be convinced as to why the encyclopedia is better off without an article on one of the major institutions in one of world's major metropolitan areas.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 13:40, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Please accept my apologies. I'm not very aware of this school as well but I think it's not a major institution. A brief mention in Quezon City would be enough. — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 14:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you need to apologize for. I'm basing the "major institution" as an incredibly unscientific judgement call, based upon the number of students (13,000+ at one point, but it still seems to hover around 10,000), and that many sources name-drop the school in a way that suggests that if you're a local, you know what it is (these sources not establishing  notability, of course), and according to the sources, parents across the city seek to enroll their kids in the school because it is considered "safe", provides amenities not available at other schools, and, incredibly to this pampered American, is less crowded than other schools.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:26, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * But to the topic of notability, it's not even a secondary school, it's a primary school. The vast majority of primary schools aren't notable, but I'm still thinking this meets GNG, and I'm thinking this is not your run-of-the-mill primary school by any definition.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:29, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

"The Phillippine Enquirer" thing. — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 14:33, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh goodness, that was funny!  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The enrollment numbers aren't that surprising. The city its located in has almost 3 million people. "Largest whatever in wherever" usually doesn't establish notability. Anyway, do we even know if its a public or private school? It seems like the vast majority of schools in Ph are private. If so, it would have to pass NORG, not GNG. Adamant1 (talk) 15:26, 29 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The distinction between needing to meet NORG and needing to reach GNG is not public/private, but rather for-profit/non-profit. In the US and GB, for-profit primary and secondary schools are virtually non existent. They are more prevalent in Asia, but the Philippines educational system is closely modeled on the US system, so an assertion that this article must meet NORG would need to be proven. I do agree however that size alone shouldn't be in any way determinate of notability. 174.212.228.209 (talk) 22:22, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It is a public school. And yes, Quezon City is the largest in terms of population. — hueman1 ( talk  •  contributions ) 15:36, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Would love a few more eyes on this!

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 20:12, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:NSCHOOL with sources presented by 7826. They're reliable enough aside from the sources in the article IMV. SBKSPP (talk) 01:25, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. There are multiple (two is multiple) good sources with extensive coverage, in the Philippine Daily Inquirer which looks to be highly notable (and as reliable as any other large paper, I suppose) and The Standard (Hong Kong) which has a long article here which says its daily circulation is 200,000. It's a giveaway paper, and American giveaway papers aren't very reliable, but this is a daily and maybe its different in Hong Kong. Assuming that The Standard is OK, the school meets the WP:GNG. And I mean 13,000 students... that is just a whole honken lot of little people. For comparison, Rockwood School District for instance has a nice article here, has 21 schools, and has 21,000 students. Parkway School District has a small article, has 28 schools and 17,000 students. And these are huge school districts. So this one school is near that size and meets the WP:GNG, keep.


 * And I mean the newspaper articles are plenty to make an a good article around. There's a lot of good material on the challenges this huge poor school has to deal with and so on.


 * The problem is, that's not this article. The article is not good and doesn't brink in the newspaper articles really and what is there isn't ref'd. You could make a WP:TNT case I guess, but then you could make a WP:TNTTNT case, and that's the one I'd make, since the needed refs are right there and it's just a matter of adding the material and tagging (or finding refs for) the material that's there now. Herostratus (talk) 04:01, 8 May 2021 (UTC)


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